Why boys and girls can't be "just friends"

[Hiroshi2]

Well I have a friend. A female friend. And she's a really good friend, and the thing about it is, is that I like her a lot. I guess you could even say I have a crush on her. This has been going on for awhile, but I've never told her, because it just didn't seem like the right time. Well here I am at school or whatever and I see her and I was about to go up and speak to her when she gives this other dude that she's been hanging out with a kiss right in front of everybody. I guess they're a couple, they act like it but she never said anything to me saying that they were. Anyway, this leaves me feeling confused. She's the girl I think about all the time, and now it seems like any opportunity I might've had has slipped away. What's even worse is that I worry that since she may have a boyfriend now, I won't be seeing as much of her or hearing as much from her, as she'll want to spend more time with him and such. I haven't talked to her since then but I want to at least speak to her tommorrow. I was right there, and I was just walking by or whatever and I kinda laughed to myself to make it look like I was cool with it, but of course deep down inside I felt a little hurt. Not that I'm not happy for her or anything, I am. I really am happy that she's happy, I care about her that much. And I love seeing her smile and seeing her happy. I admit that I wish she could've been happy with me, y'know what I'm saying? And that's why I say boys and girls, men and women, males and females, whatever, can't be "just friends". Cause when a romantic interest comes along, what happens to their "friends" of the opposite sex? They get left out, I know I've been there before. So now I'm just really hoping that we can still be friends and be cool and talk or whatever, but I still feel a little crushed. I don't know what to feel right now. I still very much in love with her though.

[Chester]

Men and women can be friends -- platonic -- just fine.

...so long as neither wants to schtup the other.

...or, if that's not the case, so long as the lusting half is capable of being an adult about their unrequited emotions.

Anyway, sucky situation -- we've all been there, but now you know that you need to make things happen rather than wait for them to happen.

[Irezumi Kiss]

Men and women can be friends -- platonic -- just fine.

...so long as neither wants to schtup the other.

...or, if that's not the case, so long as the lusting half is capable of being an adult about their unrequited emotions.

Ches pretty much summed it up right thurr...

And you're 16?

heh heh heh...

whoo boy

...you don't even KNOW pain yet...

:bomb2:

Keep believing in your heart and you'll be fine.

:happy:

[TB4000]

According to the Chris Rock School of Relationships - "Men and women can't EVER be just friends. If you're a man and you're a friend with a woman, it's because you've already fucked, you haven't fucked yet, or you've tried to fuck, but she turned you down."

[Hiroshi2]

Men and women can be friends -- platonic -- just fine.

...so long as neither wants to schtup the other.

...or, if that's not the case, so long as the lusting half is capable of being an adult about their unrequited emotions.

Anyway, sucky situation -- we've all been there, but now you know that you need to make things happen rather than wait for them to happen.



Yeah but it would've been real awkward. I knew there were other boys interested in her and everything.

I'm hoping this doesn't change anything between us. My first hunch is that it will, but after thinking about it, thinking about what she's like, what type of person she is............I actually don't think it will.

She never mentioned she had a boyfriend. Maybe they've been together for awhile, I've seen them together for awhile. Things were great this morning. So maybe things won't be so bad after all. It just kinda makes me think that I should give up the hunt...........but it's not that easy. I think about her, I write about her, I dream about her............sure I have other girl "friends" and other girls I'm interested in too, but of course they're not her and well.........it's gonna take some time if that's what happens. My best friend just got out of this situation too, he was pursing a "platonic" friend only to find that she already had a boyfriend. So he gave up chasing her and now is pursuing some other girl. Sounds good, right? But the thing that gets me is that he said that they've hardly talked since he found out about her boyfriend. I don't want that to happen to us, but I somehow feel it's inevitable.

I still very much confused and still need to process my thoughts and feelings.......

[Hiroshi2]

According to the Chris Rock School of Relationships - "Men and women can't EVER be just friends. If you're a man and you're a friend with a woman, it's because you've already fucked, you haven't fucked yet, or you've tried to fuck, but she turned you down."



Real encouraging, man...................






I'm kidding. I think I'm going to take Irezumi's advice and keep believing. I haven't talked to her yet since then, and I don't want to call her up tonight (after all, she might be talking to her boyfriend right now). I'll wait till tommorrow, see what happens, see if she still acts normal and cool and everything when she sees me.

[Hiroshi2]

Men and women can be friends -- platonic -- just fine.

...so long as neither wants to schtup the other.

...or, if that's not the case, so long as the lusting half is capable of being an adult about their unrequited emotions.

Anyway, sucky situation -- we've all been there, but now you know that you need to make things happen rather than wait for them to happen.



And another thing..............if neither one wants to "schtup" the other, then how deep is the friendship?


How can you be an adult about unrequited emotions? Doesn't it seem like you're wasting your time? Or do you just kinda take a "the more friends, the better" attitude about it, or just say to yourself, "you never know what could happen."

[TB4000]

Well I have a friend. A female friend. And she's a really good friend, and the thing about it is, is that I like her a lot. I guess you could even say I have a crush on her. This has been going on for awhile, but I've never told her, because it just didn't seem like the right time. Well here I am at school or whatever and I see her and I was about to go up and speak to her when she gives this other dude that she's been hanging out with a kiss right in front of everybody. I guess they're a couple, they act like it but she never said anything to me saying that they were. Anyway, this leaves me feeling confused. She's the girl I think about all the time, and now it seems like any opportunity I might've had has slipped away. What's even worse is that I worry that since she may have a boyfriend now, I won't be seeing as much of her or hearing as much from her, as she'll want to spend more time with him and such. I haven't talked to her since then but I want to at least speak to her tommorrow. I was right there, and I was just walking by or whatever and I kinda laughed to myself to make it look like I was cool with it, but of course deep down inside I felt a little hurt. Not that I'm not happy for her or anything, I am. I really am happy that she's happy, I care about her that much. And I love seeing her smile and seeing her happy. I admit that I wish she could've been happy with me, y'know what I'm saying? And that's why I say boys and girls, men and women, males and females, whatever, can't be "just friends". Cause when a romantic interest comes along, what happens to their "friends" of the opposite sex? They get left out, I know I've been there before. So now I'm just really hoping that we can still be friends and be cool and talk or whatever, but I still feel a little crushed. I don't know what to feel right now. I still very much in love with her though.



Not trying to discourage your endeavors at all, but just saying it's a difficult task to accomplish. If you can make it work, by all means, do it.

[purezero]

...I like her a lot. I guess you could even say I have a crush on her.
... I still very much in love with her though.
Crush = lurve? :confused:

[Irezumi Kiss]

And another thing..............if neither one wants to "schtup" the other, then how deep is the friendship?

How can you be an adult about unrequited emotions? Doesn't it seem like you're wasting your time? Or do you just kinda take a "the more friends, the better" attitude about it, or just say to yourself, "you never know what could happen."

If there's no schtupping feelings, then you're the rare recipient of the "absolutely platonic friendship" award!

It's been my experience that there are modicums of attraction between friends. Everyone's different.

I can look at most of my female friends as women and APPRECIATE their attractiveness without having it being a deteriment to the friendship.

i.e., "oh you look sexy in that dress." kinda thing. Or I might think to myself, "Damn, Wilbur is a fucking fool for not wanting to be around your fine ass more, cuz I know I would."

It's fun to think that maaaaybe there's a chance with a friend...and you have the freedom to do so...just DON'T let it get out of hand or cloud your general judgement. Such things, if they happen, happen naturally and you'll know it when it happens.

People give off signals to let you know they wanna take it to the next level. Over time, you'll learn how to recognize them while not letting it interfere with your own personal good time.

This is the bottom line, actually — you are waiting for her and she knows it, even on an unconscious level if not directly.

Unless you'll be the type fated to get into a married relationship early in life, you'll have to learn how to have a good time by being by yourself on your own agenda and then accomodating whoever comes into your space, rather than waiting for someone to make your good time for you.

However, I've been where you are before, and I know how it feels...so I won't try to compress whatever time is needed to get over this into one little pill that you can swallow and feel better with cuz there ain't such an animal. Just realize that, if you allow your heart to be patient, you will know plenty of women in your lifetime and it's gonna get lots better. Trust me.

[Hiroshi2]

If there's no schtupping feelings, then you're the rare recipient of the "absolutely platonic friendship" award!

It's been my experience that there are modicums of attraction between friends. Everyone's different.

I can look at most of my female friends as women and APPRECIATE their attractiveness without having it being a deteriment to the friendship.

i.e., "oh you look sexy in that dress." kinda thing. Or I might think to myself, "Damn, Wilbur is a fucking fool for not wanting to be around your fine ass more, cuz I know I would."

It's fun to think that maaaaybe there's a chance with a friend...and you have the freedom to do so...just DON'T let it get out of hand or cloud your general judgement. Such things, if they happen, happen naturally and you'll know it when it happens.

People give off signals to let you know they wanna take it to the next level. Over time, you'll learn how to recognize them while not letting it interfere with your own personal good time.

This is the bottom line, actually — you are waiting for her and she knows it, even on an unconscious level if not directly.

Unless you'll be the type fated to get into a married relationship early in life, you'll have to learn how to have a good time by being by yourself on your own agenda and then accomodating whoever comes into your space, rather than waiting for someone to make your good time for you.

However, I've been where you are before, and I know how it feels...so I won't try to compress whatever time is needed to get over this into one little pill that you can swallow and feel better with cuz there ain't such an animal. Just realize that, if you allow your heart to be patient, you will know plenty of women in your lifetime and it's gonna get lots better. Trust me.


Yeah but I still wanna be with her. I mean, I won't bore you talking about what I like about her and all of that shit, but yeah............


I know plenty of great girls, but she's special.


@ purezero:


Whenever I use the "L" word, take it with a grain of salt. Obviously I don't know what it is.

[mr. x]

According to the Chris Rock School of Relationships - "Men and women can't EVER be just friends. If you're a man and you're a friend with a woman, it's because you've already fucked, you haven't fucked yet, or you've tried to fuck, but she turned you down."

hehe, "your just a dick in a glass case. in case of emergency, break open glass!"

[Ogumo]

Well I have a friend. A female friend. And she's a really good friend, and the thing about it is, is that I like her a lot. I guess you could even say I have a crush on her. This has been going on for awhile, but I've never told her, because it just didn't seem like the right time. Well here I am at school or whatever and I see her and I was about to go up and speak to her when she gives this other dude that she's been hanging out with a kiss right in front of everybody. I guess they're a couple, they act like it but she never said anything to me saying that they were. Anyway, this leaves me feeling confused. She's the girl I think about all the time, and now it seems like any opportunity I might've had has slipped away. What's even worse is that I worry that since she may have a boyfriend now, I won't be seeing as much of her or hearing as much from her, as she'll want to spend more time with him and such. I haven't talked to her since then but I want to at least speak to her tommorrow. I was right there, and I was just walking by or whatever and I kinda laughed to myself to make it look like I was cool with it, but of course deep down inside I felt a little hurt. Not that I'm not happy for her or anything, I am. I really am happy that she's happy, I care about her that much. And I love seeing her smile and seeing her happy. I admit that I wish she could've been happy with me, y'know what I'm saying? And that's why I say boys and girls, men and women, males and females, whatever, can't be "just friends". Cause when a romantic interest comes along, what happens to their "friends" of the opposite sex? They get left out, I know I've been there before. So now I'm just really hoping that we can still be friends and be cool and talk or whatever, but I still feel a little crushed. I don't know what to feel right now. I still very much in love with her though.

Well you are still in highschool. Usually those relationships do not last for so long. You can wait until they are done with each other then make the move. But by then you may have changed your feelings toward this girl. Do you really think that you are in love with this girl? Think about this. But I would suggest for you to look at the other girls insted of waiting for that one.

[ChinaLama]

meena says sometimes girls like to be grabbed and kissed very hard. Maybe you should just go up to her and start making out w/ her-- wait that's not serious advice! *hiroshi does it and gets arrested for assault :(*

[coagulated fat]

Whatever you do, remember: declarations of love are NOT sexy pickup lines.

[Emperor_Mike]

meena says sometimes girls like to be grabbed and kissed very hard. Maybe you should just go up to her and start making out w/ her-- wait that's not serious advice! *hiroshi does it and gets arrested for assault :(*

Battery, actually. :D But I hear in North America it's interchangeable. :huh:

[ellsworth81]

dude
did you just say you *love* her?

i hope you're not throwing that term around loosely now ;)

[Hiroshi2]

Whatever you do, remember: declarations of love are NOT sexy pickup lines.


We're friends, what do I need a pickup line for?


But I think I know what you're saying............that's why I never told her how I felt, it just wasn't right. I got mixed signals sometimes, actually.

I mentioned my best friend earlier in the thread. Well, he's sort of a mutual friend, and I told him about what happened and he just advised me to "not even worry about it". I don't think he thinks I had much of a shot with her anyway. I'm not listening to his advice, though. I still haven't talked to her today, I didn't see her. I was talking to her boyfriend (or at least the guy she kissed) a few mintues ago. Not about her, though, just a little conversation, I've known him for a few years, he's a cool guy.

I still want to at least just kinda talk to her today though. I won't try to bring up that though, maybe she didn't even notice I was there. But then again, usually she notices me before I notice her.



@ ellsworth:


I know, I know, I've been thinking about that. But I know I've never felt this strongly about any girl before.

@ diluted water:


I admit I do have sexual urges or whatever when I think about her, but a lot of times when I dream about her or something it doesn't really have to do with sex, more like romance. Like I had this one dream where I kissed her for two hours.

[Hiroshi2]

Well you are still in highschool. Usually those relationships do not last for so long. You can wait until they are done with each other then make the move. But by then you may have changed your feelings toward this girl. Do you really think that you are in love with this girl? Think about this. But I would suggest for you to look at the other girls insted of waiting for that one.



I feel ya on that about not wanting to wait. And that's what I've been thinking is that if I go out and pursue some other girl (and there's a few girls I'd probably have better chances with and I'll admit I'm interested in) than how will that affect my feelings for her? How will that affect our friendship? And I know that after high school, we may very well end up going our seperate ways and that makes me think too, but I don't want to get too far ahead of myself and worry myself to death.

[Ogumo]

I feel ya on that about not wanting to wait. And that's what I've been thinking is that if I go out and pursue some other girl (and there's a few girls I'd probably have better chances with and I'll admit I'm interested in) than how will that affect my feelings for her? How will that affect our friendship? And I know that after high school, we may very well end up going our seperate ways and that makes me think too, but I don't want to get too far ahead of myself and worry myself to death.


Well...you will not know how it would affect your feelings for her until you find out, no? If you dont and this girl doesnt end her relationship and you just wasted the rest of highschool waiting for her you may regret it for many damn years. I don't think it would affect your friendship that much. You may see her a little less...but I dont think that it would get worse than that. But you are the one that must decide what you will do. You are only in highschool once and for four short years...

[Fireblade]

Hrmm... interesting. I dunno, I find that I can be friends with girls, and not be influenced by any urges or what-not. But that's also possibly that I don't find them attractive AT ALL. So if you're going to be friends with someone you find attractive, you are in for a deep well of crap. So long as you both establish a foundation of friendship and to never cross that line, it'll be fine. Otherwise, you can hope that maybe she'll come around. But chances are, if she already has a boyfriend, don't get your hopes up, because obviously she's overlooked you. In which case, just suck it up and go find someone that will appreciate you. Unrequited love, however interesting and devoted that sounds, does not help your self-esteem at all.

[Chester]

But the thing that gets me is that he said that they've hardly talked since he found out about her boyfriend. I don't want that to happen to us, but I somehow feel it's inevitable.
So long as she's not the type of person who falls off the map while in a relationship, then it's all on you.

That is, from what I've seen, the growing apart dynamic is usually due to the guy not being able to deal with being around a woman he's into, romantically, but who is unavailable.

Don't know what your situation is or what your demeanor is, but if that's the way you are, realize that it's all in your hands.

[Hiroshi2]

Hrmm... interesting. I dunno, I find that I can be friends with girls, and not be influenced by any urges or what-not. But that's also possibly that I don't find them attractive AT ALL. So if you're going to be friends with someone you find attractive, you are in for a deep well of crap. So long as you both establish a foundation of friendship and to never cross that line, it'll be fine. Otherwise, you can hope that maybe she'll come around. But chances are, if she already has a boyfriend, don't get your hopes up, because obviously she's overlooked you. In which case, just suck it up and go find someone that will appreciate you. Unrequited love, however interesting and devoted that sounds, does not help your self-esteem at all.




I understand what you're saying. And I'll probably just go find another girl. But I need to get this ironed out first. I'm really having trouble concentrating in class, I'm glad I was able to go to a basketball game yesterday, that helped me get my mind off it. But today I've gone and finished about three projects simply because I needed something to take my mind off it. What's worse is that I don't have anything planned for the weekend, so I'll probably think about it then. If only I could just TALK to her!!!!!! But I still haven't talked to her yet! And maybe it's just my imagination (I hope it is) but I'd swear that she was avoiding her. We made eye contact with each other a couple of times today and both of us looked away immediately. What if she's thinking what I'm thinking? What if she knows how I feel and feels awkward approaching me? What if she decided to just not talk to me anymore? I wish I knew what she was thinking. Maybe I'm overreacting. I just don't want to not say anything to her today, usually we talk everyday so this is kinda weird.

[Proud_Jook_Sing]

You gotta go for it. You don't want this to be one of those things you regret not having done. And if she says no then be a gentleman and say that's fine, I'd like us to stay friends and I just wanted to get that off my chest.

Who knows, she might say no but now that she finally knows you're interested things can change.

From what I hear from you, you're already losing her so you have nothing to lose.

[Hiroshi2]

You gotta go for it. You don't want this to be one of those things you regret not having done. And if she says no then be a gentleman and say that's fine, I'd like us to stay friends and I just wanted to get that off my chest.

Who knows, she might say no but now that she finally knows you're interested things can change.

From what I hear from you, you're already losing her so you have nothing to lose.




Well she already has a boyfriend. And they seem happy together. If she's happy with him, then I'm not going to try to become a third wheel.

I did end up speaking to her, but we just said "hey". It was hard for me to even walk up to her, because she seemed to be avoiding me like I said, but then I just kinda said "fuck it". I feel OK about it, somehow, knowing her, I feel like things will be OK in a few days.

[ellsworth81]

Well...you will not know how it would affect your feelings for her until you find out, no? If you dont and this girl doesnt end her relationship and you just wasted the rest of highschool waiting for her you may regret it for many damn years. I don't think it would affect your friendship that much. You may see her a little less...but I dont think that it would get worse than that. But you are the one that must decide what you will do. You are only in highschool once and for four short years...

i agree. squeeze in as much exploratory debauchery as possible. you have to prepare for those college gals somehow :happy:

[mrazntre]

The way I see it, you were frontin' on her about your "relationship" with her. I'm sure you liked her from way back or whatnot and you tried to supress those feelings, but now it's getting the best of you. That's probably the worst thing to have in a friendship because for one, you're not being a friend. You're just basically being her friend cuz you wanna get with her. It's something that I've come to despise as an ulterior motive, innocent, unwilling, unknowing, whatever. you still frontin'.......

think about how your friend (the girl) will feel if she's thought all along that you were really good friends, just to discover that you wanna get with her. it's a bad situation for everyone. lay it out in the beginning and you'll avoid stuff like this later on.

[Hiroshi2]

The way I see it, you were frontin' on her about your "relationship" with her. I'm sure you liked her from way back or whatnot and you tried to supress those feelings, but now it's getting the best of you. That's probably the worst thing to have in a friendship because for one, you're not being a friend. You're just basically being her friend cuz you wanna get with her. It's something that I've come to despise as an ulterior motive, innocent, unwilling, unknowing, whatever. you still frontin'.......

think about how your friend (the girl) will feel if she's thought all along that you were really good friends, just to discover that you wanna get with her. it's a bad situation for everyone. lay it out in the beginning and you'll avoid stuff like this later on.


I was somewhat attracted to her in the beginning............but I grew even more attracted to her and time went on because she was a really good friend to me and sometimes was the only one who could cheer me up when I felt really depressed and down. I guess it was then when I really just started liking her, I dunno............there's a lot to like about her, she's sweet, intelligent, pretty........I just hope the dude she's with can recognize that too.



Besides that, there were quite a few times when I felt like she was attracted to me, but I was never completely sure.........maybe I should've made my move way back.........but it made me think that maybe she was just being nice and sweet to me just to get me, and maybe she was "frontin"............I thought about it, and decided that it didn't matter, cuz for some reason I still felt attracted to her........I know that doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but it's just the way I feel..........

[Irezumi Kiss]

That, in essence, is the risk you have to take in order to have the love you want.

The shit of it all is that you really CAN'T be so "nice" that you fake your own funk in thinking that she'll turn tail and "see" you without you getting your hands dirty...

There's no guarantees and maybe nine times outta ten that "love" is gonna be unrequited, but...there's always that one time...

[teaz0r]

girls are dumb. they don't know
what they want, and by the time
they do know what they want
they'll be too old to use it.

i say forget her, and find someone
who wants to shove her tongue
down your throat.

[Hiroshi2]

That, in essence, is the risk you have to take in order to have the love you want.

The shit of it all is that you really CAN'T be so "nice" that you fake your own funk in thinking that she'll turn tail and "see" you without you getting your hands dirty...

There's no guarantees and maybe nine times outta ten that "love" is gonna be unrequited, but...there's always that one time...



Yeah I know...............this is actually the closest thing I've ever had to a serious relationship, and as you can see, it's not even a real "relationship". I had a girlfriend before, but I didn't really LOVE her. We were basically friends that just said we were a couple.

Having said that, one thing I have learned is that love is a risk. I've done quite a few things for her that I wouldn't in any other situation. I'm not usually a risk-taker, but I am when it comes to her- and yet, sometimes I don't think I take the risk enough and maybe that's why that other dude is with her now. I don't know. If I could just see her again, smiling at me, and if everything was just cool like it used to be, well then I couldn't complain too much. But yeah maybe I will go pursue some other girl.

[Hiroshi2]

OK, I've been thinking. I saw her today, spoke to her, smiled at her and tried to be really nice but somehow she didn't seem as nice and sweet and happy to see me like she always is. And it's been wracking my brain all weekend (I didn't see her all weekend). So I've really been thinking and I might have to make a tough decision: should I let her go? Because this is really tearing me up, and I'm starting to wonder if I could ever really be happy as long as I'm worrying about her like this. If I'm thinking about her like this 24/7, how happy could I be? If there's some way I can get things back to the way they used to be without me having to worry and feel so insecure about the whole relationship, then I will go that route. Otherwise, I might have to let her go. I really don't want to do that. I'll try everything sensible to keep her, but I want to be happy. I'll try to talk to her tommorrow, maybe I'll bring up the kiss, maybe I won't. I don't know. I still want to speak to her every day like I have been doing, I still want to see her smile at me and I still want us to be friends. But I've really been thinking about whether or not I should just let her go. So that's where my head's at right now.

[YungOne]

I've been in the same situation awhile back. I remember we hungout nonstop for quiet some time, so I had to quit beating around the bush and just went for it. With that being said though, my plane was shot down and I was left with nothing. The friendship was gone, but eventually we became friends again.

Don't get me wrong though, i'd love to "drill" her if I had the chance; but I have to understand that we'll probably never get to that point in this friendship. So I'd say go for it if you feel like you have nothing to lose, but the friendship.

[teaz0r]

my only guy friends are
the ones i've known since
grade school.

[BaiginLong]

My take?
Chill out kid.
I've been through almost the exact same thing (if not the exact same thing) at least three times.
It drives you nuts then you realize it wasn't supposed to work anyways so you were overreacting.
If you think too much or dwell on it you'll get bitter and jaded.
Me? I'm there trying to deprogram myself from the whole shabang of messes I've been in.

Take life easy man.
Yeah, there's all that " there's always more fish in the sea" (shoot my counter to that was but there aren't that many mermaids) and "high school relationships won't work out most of the time crap" and you'll refuse to believe it or listen at first, but you'll soon understand.
For me, trying to keep myself busy with other activities in life
(mainly gaming and reading up for the CompTia A+ certification exam [then onto the 4+ other exams that I want to take depending on how good of an IT I want to be for a part time job while returning to college]) helps a big bunch.
I've realized after about 2-3 runs through the frying pan you're in right now, I decided I need some me time.
I still am interested in girls do a lil' flirting and whatnot but I focus on myself and what I need to do.
You're young and trust me you don't know what you want in life yet. I still have some details to work out.
Are you looking for a girlfriend that you want to experiment with or you trying to go for the long run right of the bat?
I personally would like to hit the nail on the head on the first (second by now) try but I know reality: it's not going to happen. However, I try to treat every relationship as a possibility.
You can't just go liking every pretty or nice or smart (or a combination of the above and other traits) out there
because not every one of them will be who you think they are.
Just like you try to maintain an image in public, so do they.
Sometimes the ugly side is what you discover too late.
Also, sometimes it's fun to date around and try out the stranger possibilities out there. You might be surprised what you like and don't like and realize what you really want through that.

Yes, I know. Me with all my get down to business what not bullshit saying this? I may be idealistic but I know this is the real world (and boy did I learn that the hard way).

So if anything listen to this piece of advice if you ignored the rest:
She's NOT perfect and you aren't either so move on cause you're still young.
Who knows what you'll run into later?
What if trying so hard for this girl screws things up later on for when you find someone even better? Did you think about that?

Think about the big picture kid. For now peace out. I need my sleep.

[Emperor_Mike]

Sure! Guys and girls can be friends without anything happening. It's entirely possible.