should john muhammad get the death penalty? [Archive]

kimpossible

11-17-2003, 11:18 AM

yes. he carefully plotted to execute a number of people AND i think he corrupted Lee Malvo. were it not for John Muhammad's influence as a father figure, i don't believe Lee Malvo would have been involved in those murders.

mod note: rant room potential.

Emperor_Mike

11-17-2003, 11:22 AM

Entirely justifiable for the pain and suffering he has caused the family of the victims and the apprehension he put a nation through.

Rogmok

11-17-2003, 11:48 AM

thanks for adding the poll.. i wasn't sure how to do it..

ism

11-17-2003, 01:37 PM

As Jesus would do, stone him to death.

ellsworth81

11-17-2003, 03:57 PM

is there another solution that might actually be quantifiably beneficial/productive ?

VV o n g B a

11-17-2003, 04:21 PM

is there another solution that might actually be quantifiably beneficial/productive ?
use his living body as a testbed for radical medical experiments. i've advocated this in the past. force death row inmates to choose between benefitting society and dying. i bet at least a few will "choose" to benefit society.

yoMAMA

11-17-2003, 04:22 PM

Just for the sake of stir things up a little bit....

No!

Think about it:

just because he is evil, do we have to become like him too?

on the issue of death penalty, I am generally undecided. I have written a paper in my philosophy class agains it, though.

YW law schoolers, is this the kind of stuff you guys do all day? :huh:

ChinaLama

11-17-2003, 04:26 PM

i'm generally against the death penalty b/c sometimes, people are wrongly convicted, and if i were one of those people, i sure as hell wouldn't want to die for someone else's crimes. But in specific cases-- well, I dunno enough about this case anyway.

But if trials were perfect, then we should spice things up. Not just have a death penalty-- have a Battle Royale of Death Row Inmates. :D or as WB said, medical experiments.

yoMAMA

11-17-2003, 04:29 PM

use his living body as a testbed for radical medical experiments. i've advocated this in the past. force death row inmates to choose between benefitting society and dying. i bet at least a few will "choose" to benefit society.

I'm pretty sure they do this in china.

ChinaLama

11-17-2003, 04:30 PM

I'm pretty sure they do this in china.

organ harvesting after execution. and sending the executee's family a bill for the bullet.

applehead

11-17-2003, 05:36 PM

i am against the death penalty.

kitty

11-17-2003, 06:48 PM

not just to stir things up, no. I don't believe in capital punishment. Not under any circumstances.

Ogumo

11-17-2003, 10:50 PM

My answer is no. American prisons are terrible...he should stay alive to suffer in the prison for the crimes he has commited. The same with his partner.

Tao

11-17-2003, 10:54 PM

we can dip him in acid.....that'll be fun for the whole family.

Ogumo

11-17-2003, 10:57 PM

Or send him to a chinese prison. And have cameras set up like one of those ridiculous reality shows. Now that is family fun.

ChinaLama

11-17-2003, 11:31 PM

Or send him to a chinese prison. And have cameras set up like one of those ridiculous reality shows. Now that is family fun.

i heard there are some crazy Japanese reality shows. They should put him on one of those. :D

Ogumo

11-18-2003, 05:53 AM

Yes but then the americans would not be able to enjoy it.

ModernLogic

11-18-2003, 06:53 AM

My answer is no. American prisons are terrible...he should stay alive to suffer in the prison for the crimes he has commited. The same with his partner.

Oh yea... totally. American prisons are hell (especially when compared to Chinese prisons)

With the poor HBO reception and the only flavor of ice cream being vanilla, I can't imagine how Muhammed will survive in the Big House.

Oh by the way, I was being sarcastic.

kitty

11-18-2003, 08:42 AM

is the point of our penal system punishment or rehabilitation?

ModernLogic

11-18-2003, 08:51 AM

is the point of our penal system punishment or rehabilitation?

Punishment, hence the word "penal."

applehead

11-18-2003, 08:53 AM

the media can sugar coat it all they want
but it's definitely punishment.
and seriously, how can you rehabilitate
some of these criminals considering the
type of crimes they have committed?

kitty

11-18-2003, 08:56 AM

call me idealistic, but i don't see the point of having a system *only* for punishment. Obviously, prisons shouldn't be a weekend getaway, but I believe that there should be education and psychiatric help, drug counseling, etc... in prisons b/c i think a lot of people who are in jail can go on to be contributing citizens in our society.

Just locking them up and throwing away the key, or killing them, isn't going to solve the problem of crime in our society. I guess I believe that people can change -- even those who commit the most horrendous of crimes.

(Moreover, I don't think our gov't should have the right to decide who has commited the 'certain crimes' that deserve death.)

ChinaLama

11-18-2003, 09:00 AM

Oh yea... totally. American prisons are hell (especially when compared to Chinese prisons)

With the poor HBO reception and the only flavor of ice cream being vanilla, I can't imagine how Muhammed will survive in the Big House.

Oh by the way, I was being sarcastic.

Prison isn't fun no matter how much Rush Limbaugh wants you to believe the gov't is coddling criminals. For one thing, the only vanilla most prisoners will be eating is from someone's dick.

applehead

11-18-2003, 09:00 AM

(Moreover, I don't think our gov't should have the right to decide who has commited the 'certain crimes' that deserve death.)

definitely.

deez nuts

11-18-2003, 11:50 AM

they should give him the lethal injection without the sodium thiopental just with the pavulon and/or the potassium chloride.

blkazngirl

11-18-2003, 01:29 PM

Why are you even asking if he should get death. Damn right, him and his little side kick both should be fried up. That's less money tax payers have to pay to keep them alive and live in semi luxuary. :bomb2:

kimpossible

11-18-2003, 01:33 PM

Even the kid? I'm willing to go a bit easier on the kid because I think he was brainwashed by a paternal figure and actually has a shot at rehabilitation and remorse.

Ogumo

11-18-2003, 01:38 PM

I think that the kid knew exactly what he was doing each time he pushed the trigger. He should get the same punishment as the man. I don't think he was brainwashed either.

Tao

11-18-2003, 04:03 PM

they should make the two duel it out like in gladiator.....and sell tickets. revenues for the tickets and proftis from pay per view will go to fund the troops in iraq......hmmmm yes that last part made me feel better about the dueling part :)

ism

11-18-2003, 04:53 PM

Compassionate conservatism in action.

Everglaze

11-24-2003, 10:10 PM

My answer is no. American prisons are terrible...he should stay alive to suffer in the prison for the crimes he has commited. The same with his partner.

Yep, my thoughts exactly...he should suffer there in prison instead of the death penalty. Death is just too easy, he needs to suffer.

Icepak

11-25-2003, 06:02 PM

Although I believe in the death penalty and also that the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming in Muhammad's case, he shouldn't be executed because no one actually saw him commit these murders. For that reason, he should simply be released into general population so he can see just how elastic his asshole is.

Icepak

11-25-2003, 06:05 PM

But then again if he is sent to prison, he will be there wasting taxpayers' money by taking up space and using resources just to keep his sorry ass alive in an already-overcrowded prison. It's time to start gulag-ing these inmates to Antarctica with donated Starter jackets and have them eat each other to survive.

Blue dice

11-30-2003, 06:33 AM

Oh yea... totally. American prisons are hell (especially when compared to Chinese prisons)

To be quite honest Chinese prisons may be dingy and nasty but you don't have to worry about being shanked or assraped by a gangbanging 5 time convicted felon. Most of the serious criminals in China are put to death asap. I'd seriously prefer to do my time in a Chinese prison.

American prisons are hellholes precisely because the system is exploitable. You have prison gangs that are far worse than anything on the outside.

mrazntre

01-10-2004, 12:52 AM

I say we sniper that asshole.

Let him go on bail money and sniper his ass the second he tries to step on the airplane to jump the country. BUT, don't kill him all that fast, just start shooting limbs and non vital areas... let him bleed to death. Fucking coward.

mrazntre

01-10-2004, 12:53 AM

Even the kid? I'm willing to go a bit easier on the kid because I think he was brainwashed by a paternal figure and actually has a shot at rehabilitation and remorse.

would you want him to be living next to you?

What if it was a bunch of rapes and molestations? do you think the kid would still be able to get rehab'd?

yangbahn50

01-16-2004, 02:15 AM

Both J Muhammad and Malvo should be executed.

They both shot MORE than one person, and caused many pain and suffering among their victims' family members.

If not, keep them in prison for LIFE without parole.
Though this differes from my initial position on the death penalty...which I don't mind being carried out on these two felonz.

rice cracker

01-16-2004, 10:42 AM

People aren't often rehabilitated in prison, unless they truly regret their crimes. These two calculatedly murdered a number of people. I don't believe they truly regret what they've done. I think that if given the option of life in prison they will most likely go through the motions of being "rehabilitated" so they can get paroled sooner. And you know, yeah, they might spend 20 years in prison, but sooner or later, they ARE going to be up for parole. For their atrocious crimes, they deserve an equally atrocious ending.

deez nuts

01-16-2004, 11:16 AM

moJo

01-16-2004, 11:17 AM

i'm on the fence in regards to Capital Punishment. in this case, it *seems* like there was substantial evidence that proved he was guilty of the crimes, and convicted of it. and the murders were calculated, as RC said. i'm kinda going with Yes on this one.

someone mentioned that taxpayers shouldn't have to pay to keep him alive, the expensiveness of it all. but i actually heard that it's more expensive to execute inmates (appeals, asking for clemencies and stuff) than it is to keep them in prison for life. i think.

deez nuts

01-16-2004, 11:19 AM

someone mentioned that taxpayers shouldn't have to pay to keep him alive, the expensiveness of it all. but i actually heard that it's more expensive to execute inmates (appeals, asking for clemencies and stuff) than it is to keep them in prison for life. i think.

i heard that too.

we should allow inmates on deathrow one appeal. and if it fails, execute him/her immediately.

woo woo!

applehead

01-16-2004, 11:22 AM

i'm very much against the death penalty
but mrazntre's idea appeals to me.
i don't know why.

Kuchana

01-16-2004, 07:10 PM

robotic

04-12-2004, 04:50 AM

My answer is no. American prisons are terrible...he should stay alive to suffer in the prison for the crimes he has commited. The same with his partner.

i haven't studied/known about john muhammad's case at all. what did he do?
but i agree with ogumo to an extent. in terms of the death penalty, people do deserve justice for their actions, but how it is done, and seeing the degree and intention of the crime is what models the whole outcome, and at times, testimony and wrong information result to an unfair trial. other than this, having complete faith in the running and loop-holes of the court system and how they justify a criminal's actions may not be entirely correct. if the evidence is given, and it is proven that it is right, than the criminal can recieve the appropiate punishment for what he/she has done. in a way, i don't fully oppose it, and i don't think it is entirely correct. this opinion stemmed up from reading various case files and how the testimonies have been bribed etc. even if it is in the minority of cases. but then again, every life matters.

draconisz

04-12-2004, 02:51 PM

he just got convicted by the jury, they have to decide now whether to sentence him to death..

what do you think?

Well, I don't really support the death penalty. But if I did. . .there would be no way to disagree with putting him to sleep.

kuilong

05-24-2005, 07:46 PM

the media can sugar coat it all they want
but it's definitely punishment.
and seriously, how can you rehabilitate
some of these criminals considering the
type of crimes they have committed?

Thanks, Javert.