Why is eating dog wrong?

[mr. x]

can someone help me out? i have to do a group project on dogeating

anyway i need to do the social context of it like how it came to be and so forth, can someone push me in the right direction?

[soda]

koreans ...

[SunWuKong]

can someone help me out? i have to do a group project on dogeating

anyway i need to do the social context of it like how it came to be and so forth, can someone push me in the right direction?

you can do research on different recipes for dog dishes in different Asian cultures - Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, Filippino, etc etc. research on how each dish tastes, what health benefits they may have. then you can write about why the US government should legalise dog meat.

[thaite]

How it came to be? Asian countries are very protein-poor countries, leading the people to add protein to their diet wherever they can find it, ie. bugs, dogs, whatever.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

I always thought that Chinese people eat more dog than Koreans. It's like one of them misconceptions about like how Seattle gets a lotta rain but in reality New York gets more annual inches than we do.

[Faithless]

Jessica Hagedorn book -- Dogeaters (http://www.geocities.com/icasocot/hagedorn_dogeaters.html)

Probably little to do with dog eating as much as Phillipine society.

[SunWuKong]

How it came to be? Asian countries are very protein-poor countries, leading the people to add protein to their diet wherever they can find it, ie. bugs, dogs, whatever.

i always thought that Chinese people just eat dogs because they like the taste.

[yoMAMA]

I heard that dog meat helps you coping with the cold in winter, so that's why it's so popular in Korea............you know what, had the united nations army done that, the commies in pyongyang will be history now :D

bye bye 38th parallel :happy:

[kimpossible]

i always thought that Chinese people just eat dogs because they like the taste.

I thought most of the world would eat it but it was the richer Westerners who can afford to elevate a few preferred animals to the status of pet, an animal considered part of a family, that decided it was barbaric. The same people who support industries that test on animals like dogs.

Which is ironic. If the dog is eaten, at least it's for nourishment instead of say maimed and tortured to test the safety of a longer lasting hairspray.

[mr. x]

hmm intersting, anyway my presentations tommorow so no need to reply after that

[kimpossible]

hmm intersting, anyway my presentations tommorow so no need to reply after that

alrighty. since it's tomorrow.

[ModernLogic]

And not cows, goats, lambs, pigs and chickens?

Is it because dogs are intelligent? If so, I've read reports that pigs equal if not surpass dogs in intelligence.

Is it because dogs look cute? Personally, I find pigs simply adorable.

Is it because dogs have served as man's loyal companions for so long and hence earned the title "Man's Best Friend" which exempts them from being eatened? What about the cow who's been feeding mankind for thousands of years by plowing his fields before mechanized agriculture? Or the pig who's been trotting around looking so cute and making us happy? Or the rooster who's been helping man get up on time every morning before the invention of the alarm clock? Or what about the lamb who's been clothing man with wool before the invention of polyester or other synthetic materials? What cats who've been keeping mummies* at bay from creeping out of their pyramids and attacking us? Oh wait, we don't eat cats... But you get the picture.

If I was an animal, I'd be so pissed at the special treatment that dogs get. I'm surprised the other animals haven't been throwing protest rallies against the dogs... oh wait, that's they probably can't write those picket signs with just paws and hooves.

Anyways, I think America should legalize dog meat.

* Return of the Mummy

[yoMAMA]

It's "wrong" because in American culture, dog is considered a part of the family, where you see dogs with your family portraits, they sleep in the owner's room and stuff.

Now, you know how American standards are supposed to be followed by everyone else in the world, right?

Now there's one thing I don't understand:

Apparently it's not ok to eat dog, but it's perfectly ok (although only in certain seasons i suppose) to wear a camoflage, with a hunting rifle (with a snipers scope) and shoot a deer/moose from a far distance, cut their head off and dispaly on your cabins, and eat the deer meat as well.

I mean, it's not a fair match (and that's what Jesse "the governor" Ventura actually said (must be that he got his ass handed to him by the aliens in predator :D

I suppose deers are not as important as dogs?

My final position is: I don't see why eating dog is wrong, since eating almost anything else is fair game. (even though I don't eat dogs...more of a meat and potatoes kind of guy ;)

[ChinaLama]

I agree. People already do cruel things to dogs like castrate them (what the hell is neutering or spaying), killing them cuz they 're sick or injured ("putting them to sleep"), and making them eat crappy dog food. So why is eating them off limits?

[nonamerasian]

Eating dog is not wrong, or at least isn't more wrong than eating the other animals previously mentioned.

[yoMAMA]

So I counted the score, it's 3-0 for the proposition.

Now where's all yall law school types? :D (my best redneck impersenation)

[applehead]

what's the big deal.
so some people find dog meat
repulsive.
and some people don't.
do we need to have another thread
about it. AGAIN.

[teaz0r]

i don't think it's wrong.
animals are only good when
they're dead and on a plate.

[ism]

My dad said if you eat dog. The smell of the meat or something gets in you. Like how lamb smell permeates your clothes and skin. And dogs will know. And they'll growl and hate you.

Urban legend (well, more like rural legend) or truth? Seems perfectly plausible.

[mr. x]

i also see two contradictions

1. asians and those who eat dogs are cruel, borderline canabalistic for eating such beautiful creatures as dogs

2. asians are dirty for eating dirty street animals like dogs.

[Ogumo]

I don't it's wrong. If anything people should be eating more of the less useful/annoying animals also. Americans try to say everything is "not moral". Atleast chinese people eat the entire dog. Americans kill a cow and use about 25% and then throw the rest away.

[kitty]

dog meat isn't legal? i think it's hypocritical... and people are anthropomorphizing their pets. when you're starving, you wouldn't have such moral qualms.

[Ogumo]

They sure as hell would not. Many would probably be ready to eat other people AND what ever animal they can find.

[lethal]

Is eating dog meat actually illegal? Or is the killing of a dog illegal (cruelty to animals)?

In many cultures, eating pig products is looked down upon, yet Americans still do that.

Just an example of Americentrism.

[Irezumi Kiss]

Maybe McDonald's could come out with a McDog Burger? Y'know, kinda help segue the concept into the general populace in a friendly, familiar way...

[Tao]

Maybe McDonald's could come out with a McDog Burger? Y'know, kinda help segue the concept into the general populace in a friendly, familiar way...
they already have that, it's called the quater pounder with cheese...oh wait my bad, that's the rat burger. yeah we need a dog burger.

[Made in China]

Dogs are nothing bad. The problem is that most americans RAISE dogs.

[ChinaLama]

They sure as hell would not. Many would probably be ready to eat other people AND what ever animal they can find.

yum yum, people. Esp fat american babies.

[Ogumo]

Don't forget the wasabi.

[kimpossible]

FYI, this was not originally a rant thread, it was in food. So posts previous to this one should be taken appropriately, in other words, food forum goofing off and not rants.

But it's a rant thread now. Knock yourselves out.

[Mr.Lum]

Eating dog isn't wrong. It's grub. Yum.

[BigLew]

Chicken eating isn't wrong. But when a black person walks into an establishment and someone there says "we aint got no chicken" it becomes a problem.

[BeTheReds]

Why is it wrong to eat dog? Here are the best arguments you can use.

1. (synical) It is the pet of Europeans and they are thrusting their views of what is and what is not edible and ethical on the rest of the world. (defeating the argument that it is bad)

2. (logical) It's illegal, even in Korea. (Just like prostitution is illegal in Japan, meaning not strictly enforced at all)

3. (dangerous) though dog farms exist, many times people will butcher stray dogs, and the safety of stray dog meat isn't monitored at all, leaving the possibility of diseases being undetected in meat that people are going to consume. (a problem that legalization of dog farming would solve, and also drive the price of dog meat down.)

4. (cruel) Many times before slaughtering, butchers will beat the dog alive so that adrenaline will find its way into the meat, making it more tender.

That being said, dog tastes good, and anyone who tries to tell me that it's unethical to eat dog meat because it is cruel and barbaric needs to shut the fuck up, especially if they aren't vegans, because the entire meat business is cruel to animals.

[deez nuts]

it's hell of a lot better than eating a loose meat sammwich.

[AliBabaIncorporated]

I'm not really concerned with cruelty to dogs or people. I just feel like I owe a debt to dogs cuz without them, 50% of my brain would still be devoted to smell processing, which would suck ass.

[Banana]

"Ewwww, you eat dog."

"You think I would be eating dog if I had steak?"

[Irezumi Kiss]

I got first dibs on Joan Rivers' little poochie.

[yoMAMA]

it's not wrong, just a cultural/culinary preference that is portrayed as wrong in ethno centric american popular culture.

[Irezumi Kiss]

it's not wrong, just a cultural/culinary preference that is portrayed as wrong in ethno centric american popular culture.
It would take a LOOONG time, but you COULD change this perception...

When I went to visit Hong Kong as a kid, I was mortified at seeing these glistening tentacles of octopii hanging down from skewers in the food markets, waiting to be fried up and eaten. I asked my papa what they were and when he told me, I was like, "yuuuuucckk!" Of cuss you can't tell a metro Detroit city kid who's been raised on McDonald's and Burger King shit about seafood other than fried fish.

Now I eat that and a whole lotta other stuff I never thought I'd be eating on a damn near daily basis without thinking. People change.

Dog? Hey, give it time...people paying over $500 to eat sushi and sashimi here...it's just awaiting the proper marketing channels, is all!

[yoMAMA]

It would take a LOOONG time, but you COULD change this perception...

When I went to visit Hong Kong as a kid, I was mortified at seeing these glistening tentacles of octopii hanging down from skewers in the food markets, waiting to be fried up and eaten. I asked my papa what they were and when he told me, I was like, "yuuuuucckk!" Of cuss you can't tell a metro Detroit city kid who's been raised on McDonald's and Burger King shit about seafood other than fried fish.

Now I eat that and a whole lotta other stuff I never thought I'd be eating on a damn near daily basis without thinking. People change.

Dog? Hey, give it time...people paying over $500 to eat sushi and sashimi here...it's just awaiting the proper marketing channels, is all!

people in the upper midwest hunt and eat deer and moose meat.

I don't see why you can eat moose or deer but not dog [although i eat neither of those animals :wink: ]

[mr. x]

That being said, dog tastes good, and anyone who tries to tell me that it's unethical to eat dog meat because it is cruel and barbaric needs to shut the fuck up, especially if they aren't vegans, because the entire meat business is cruel to animals.
A fucking men,

"look at those nasty asian dog eaters, now gimme some of that cow"

[deez nuts]

A fucking men,

"look at those nasty asian dog eaters, now gimme some of that cow"


if i was eating a finely aged peter lugers porterhouse, i'd be looking down at those peasants that are eating dog.

[applehead]

if i was eating a finely aged peter lugers porterhouse, i'd be looking down at those peasants that are eating dog.

seriously.
go eat a steak.
the only reason i've heard people
give for eating dog is that it's supposed
to be good for your body.
it's like a cheap man's steak.

[Bishop]

Didn't doggie cuisine begin in the Philipine's? From what my Korean counterparts tell me, Dog is a delicacy just like escargo and caviar. Who came up with the idea of eating snails and fish eggs?

[so_fee_ahh]

Because you can't put Fido in a taco...who seriously eats dog tacos? :rolleyes:

[achtungbaby]

Because you can't put Fido in a taco...
Well no, you can't put him into one but he can probably be spread out over about 40 taco shells. At least that's what I've approximated with my dog.

[applehead]

Didn't doggie cuisine begin in the Philipine's? From what my Korean counterparts tell me, Dog is a delicacy just like escargo and caviar. Who came up with the idea of eating snails and fish eggs?

dog soup is definitely not a delicacy.

[Irezumi Kiss]

Is it okay to eat animals belonging to the dog FAMILY if not the dogs themselves? Like wolves? foxes? hyenae?

[Tao]

Is it okay to eat animals belonging to the dog FAMILY if not the dogs themselves? Like wolves? foxes? hyenae?
this thread is making me hungry

[BeTheReds]

dog soup is definitely not a delicacy.


Yes it is, but only because it is illegal.

seriously.
go eat a steak.
the only reason i've heard people
give for eating dog is that it's supposed
to be good for your body.
it's like a cheap man's steak.


Dog meat is more expensive that beef.

Is it okay to eat animals belonging to the dog FAMILY if not the dogs themselves? Like wolves? foxes? hyenae?


It's unwise to eat land based wild carnivores.

[applehead]

nevermind. eugene and i already went at this.
no need to rehash.

:biggrin:

[asvenus]

I thought most of the world would eat it but it was the richer Westerners who can afford to elevate a few preferred animals to the status of pet, an animal considered part of a family, that decided it was barbaric. The same people who support industries that test on animals like dogs.

Which is ironic. If the dog is eaten, at least it's for nourishment instead of say maimed and tortured to test the safety of a longer lasting hairspray.

girl i love the way you say it!! it is so pathetic how certain societies judge others on the basis of what? their own preferences..ive never understood the specific condemnation of people who eat dog meat..i mean i was raised a vegan so i could quite comfortably sit on my high veggie made horse and scorn all meat eaters but to differentiate between meats..just a tad ridiculous for me :confused:

[deez nuts]

dog meat ain't no delicacy in china. the vendor has the cooked dog carcass in the middle of the street and slices a piece off for you just like how you would order a gyro. the other places that serve dog is in some run down shack of a restaurant. it's cheap as hell. in china dog meat is way cheaper than a piece of porterhouse steak or kobe beef. we don't think that eating fido will give you rejuvenating properties a la poshingtang. we got tiger penis and snake for that make you strong and hard.....fucky fucky long time.

[Martino]

girl i love the way you say it!! it is so pathetic how certain societies judge others on the basis of what? their own preferences..ive never understood the specific condemnation of people who eat dog meat..i mean i was raised a vegan so i could quite comfortably sit on my high veggie made horse and scorn all meat eaters but to differentiate between meats..just a tad ridiculous for me :confused:

Preferences are changing all the time. Ostritch is now farmed in the UK for eating. Ostritch 'steaks' top the list of new food I've discovered in recent years. Kangeroo was probably taboo (or just plain not thought of as food) at one point, but it's now on the menu here. Poor Skippy ...

Should you disbelieve me:

http://www.london-eating.co.uk/more_reviews.asp?restaurant=262&CurPage=4

http://www.rickythebutcher.co.uk/products.pl?keys=kangeroo&mode=search

I eat almost everything.

[deez nuts]

Preferences are changing all the time. Ostritch is now farmed in the UK for eating. Ostritch 'steaks' top the list of new food I've discovered in recent years. Kangeroo was probably taboo (or just plain not thought of as food) at one point, but it's now on the menu. Poor Skippy ...

Should you disbelieve me:

http://www.london-eating.co.uk/more_reviews.asp?restaurant=262&CurPage=4

http://www.rickythebutcher.co.uk/products.pl?keys=kangeroo&mode=search

I eat almost everything.

i had ostrich...it's pretty good.

this restaurant in ny was serving tiger meat awhile ago.

a friend of mine that goes bowhunting use to give me fresh pieces of venison.

[Martino]

i had ostrich...it's pretty good.

this restaurant in ny was serving tiger meat awhile ago.

a friend of mine that goes bowhunting use to give me fresh pieces of venison.

It has great texture and flavour ... just don't ask for an ostritch leg in breadcrumbs ...

[deez nuts]

It has great texture and flavour ... just don't ask for an ostritch leg in breadcrumbs ...


i thought it would be tough...but it was surprisingly tender.

[ChinaLama]

i thought it would be tough...but it was surprisingly tender.

That would make a great pickup line. You think I'm tough but I'm surprisingly tender.

[BillHoo]

Please do not bring Hindu deities into this. It's bad enough to eat someone's pet, but to make an entree of someone's religion is another thing.



A fucking men,

"look at those nasty asian dog eaters, now gimme some of that cow"

[grimfan]

How would Europeans like it if they went to India and were called all sorts of names and racial epithets for eating an animal (in this case, the cow) that was special to another culture?

[Shogun Empress]

Isn't there a biblical reason not to eat dogs?

4. (cruel) Many times before slaughtering, butchers will beat the dog alive so that adrenaline will find its way into the meat, making it more tender.Do African's eat monkeys? Is eating monkeys bad too? Do they beat their monkey's before they eat them?

*tries to picture an African beating a monkey*

I hear monkeys are everywhere in India. I don't know why I'm thinking about monkeys...

Oh yeah you were talking about beating the dog. Hot dog! I went off track, I'm so sorry.

Because you can't put Fido in a taco...who seriously eats dog tacos? :rolleyes:Is this a beastiality pun? :tongue:

I met two Native American's last week who said they eat dogs. I would never eat a dog. How disgusting.

I grew up watching Benji, Beethoven, Lassie, and Rin Tin Tin the K-9 Cop. I grew up believing that dogs are a man's best friend. Why would I eat man's best friend? I watched something on The Discovery Channel about dogs that risked their lives to save their master's lives. It was wonderful. I can't picture a chicken or a fish risking their life to save me. Flipper perhaps, but not Tucan Sam.

[Chinasaur]

I find it funny how people in the West criticize certain nations for eating dog, while they themselves slaughter cows for consumption.

I mean, I understand that dogs are pets, but cows are sacred to Hindus. Eating dog may be defying a (Western and European) culture, but eating steaks is defying a religion.

And no, I don't eat dogs. Nor am I Hindu.
Just in case it sounds like I do. Or am.

[Shiiba]

Eating dogs wrong? All animals are the same; we humans just domesticate a bunch of them, tame some as pets, and designate others for slaughter. Heck, I'll eat almost any (dead) animal if it won't kill me (Except cannibalism...that hits too close to home) A friend told me she saw people on the streets eating the brains out of live monkeys in the philippines...I couldn't eat something unless it was a roasted slab of carcass. They don't deserve to be tortured

[relus]

Better to eat dogs than rape them :p

[hooligan]

Dogs are omnivorse (spelling).

[haplesshobo]

oh please. this issuse has nothing to do with cultural supremacy where some animals being eaten is acceptable vs. others that are not.

when americans are killing dogs, ie. put to sleep, they're not going out of their way to torture the dog and try to make its death as painful as possible.

i love to eat meat, but i wouldn't want to eat something if i knew it had been tortured to death and made to die in the most brutal possible fashion in the belief that this somehow made the meat tastier.

i love to eat beef. but, i wouldn't want to eat it if i knew the ranchers first tortured the cow so as to make it feel as much pain as possible. i would have a problem with this scenario and refuse to eat the beef of a cow slaughtered in the following fashion:

considering the size of a cow, its probably too difficult for the ranchers to tenderize and terrify a living cow with baseball bats. so, how about if they just started by ripping one of the eyes out of a living cow. and, then attaching it to some torture device that tried to pull a living cow apart. and, then cutting off chunks of the cow as its still living.

[haplesshobo]

i looked at peta's website and the other protests against this issue, and the issue doesn't seem to be eating dog per se, but how koreans tortured dogs and cats before eating it. yeah, it might be part of the asian culture, but so was slavery in the south? do we excuse and overlook the worst parts of our culture so that we can continue to criticize the west?

here's the site: http://www.peta.org/feat/korea/

and, some of the shocking allegations about the treatment of animals:

Last November, thanks in part to your letters, FIFA, soccer’s international governing body, urged the Korean government to “put an immediate end” to the routine torture of dogs and cats as the country geared up to cohost the World Cup tournament. Since then, various Korean governmental officials have indicated that steps are being taken to address this cruelty. For example, the prime minister’s office recently announced its intention to address the mistreatment of dogs prior to slaughter; the Sungnam News reported in February that the government was planning to “crack down” on illegal sales and practices with regard to dog slaughter in Sungnam City; and in March, The Korea Herald reported that the Ministry of Agriculture plans to set up enforcement squads to monitor cruel slaughter practices and that the government is currently looking into revising the country’s animal protection law. While all of this sounds promising, it is absolutely meaningless unless tangible steps are taken and the Animal Protection Law is amended and enforced.

The atrocities inflicted upon dogs and cats slaughtered for human consumption in Korea are shockingly cruel: Dogs are electrocuted or are often fully conscious as they are strung up by their necks and beaten violently in order to increase the flow of adrenaline in their flesh, which is believed to increase the virility of men who eat it. Cats endure a fate just as horrific. A recent ITN news report confirms that cats are often boiled alive in order to extract their “juice” for use in medicinal “tonics.” According to the report, the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals states that “cats are placed into boiling water while they are still alive. They are basically boiled to death over a long period … using pressure cookers.”

Many dogs and cats raised for consumption in Korea await this nightmarish fate on farms and in markets where they endure horrible conditions in crowded cages—often so small that standing up is impossible—without food or water for days on end. And although current Korean law technically prohibits cruelty to companion animals and denounces the consumption of dog soup, these laws are mere façades with absolutely no enforcement. Sadly, the cruel treatment of these animals continues to this day and is all too common.

[pikachupacabra]

oh please. this issuse has nothing to do with cultural supremacy where some animals being eaten is acceptable vs. others that are not.

when americans are killing dogs, ie. put to sleep, they're not going out of their way to torture the dog and try to make its death as painful as possible.

i love to eat meat, but i wouldn't want to eat something if i knew it had been tortured to death and made to die in the most brutal possible fashion in the belief that this somehow made the meat tastier.

i love to eat beef. but, i wouldn't want to eat it if i knew the ranchers first tortured the cow so as to make it feel as much pain as possible. i would have a problem with this scenario and refuse to eat the beef of a cow slaughtered in the following fashion:

considering the size of a cow, its probably too difficult for the ranchers to tenderize and terrify a living cow with baseball bats. so, how about if they just started by ripping one of the eyes out of a living cow. and, then attaching it to some torture device that tried to pull a living cow apart. and, then cutting off chunks of the cow as its still living.


You might want to read Fast Food Nation , or perhaps Dominion. Both of them paint a very sobering view of America's cattle industry. Not even touching the pork and poultry side, but what you just described is not far off from what happens to a lot of cows. The standard method of execution for cattle is to line them up on a conveyor belt, and then fire a bolt through their head, supposedly bashing through their cortex and instantly killing all brain functions. They will then be cut open so the blood can drain out (and not ruin the meat), hung from a hook, and pieces sliced off. In the end, they will be mashed into a machine that simulteneously steams, crushes, rolls, and twists the bones, skin, cartilege, and tendons to remove every last bit of available meat.

Unfortunately, a lot of times the cows move, or they aren't lined up properly, and the bolt doesn't exactly kill them, or even incapacitate them. A lot of cows are very awake, conscious, and in a LOT of pain as they're taken apart piece by piece. There are stories of cows making it pretty far down the line, bleating and screaming the entire way as they get chopped, diced, and cut alive. It's pretty gross.

I'm not saying that ranchers specifically WANT to torture a cow to get the meat from it. But oftentimes it'll cut into the bottom line if they had to go out of their way to ensure that every single cow was completely brain dead when they want down the line. Much like it will cut into the bottom line to test every cow (like japan does) for mad cow.

[mr. x]

oh please. this issuse has nothing to do with cultural supremacy
which is why the whole one liner jokes involving dog eating asians never at all feels condescending

[Tao]

which is why the whole one liner jokes involving dog eating asians never at all feels condescending
not for me
if someone said that, i'd be, uhhh all right!

[chikkachikka]

the thought of eating dog doesn't sound too appealing to me but not really for any cultural reasons; eating wolves, bobcats, and possums would go in the same category. but sometimes i feel like gnashing into one just to spite PETA and the rest of their weak-kneed privileged white liberal hoard. obviously it would have to be a wild one though, and not anyone's fido.

i do think it's cultural supremacy to some extent but also economic advantage. PETA and their ilk are composed of privileged caucasians who would never in a million years understand why people starving in developing countries may have other priorities in mind other than apologising to their water buffalo for making them work long hours. ooooh, boo hoo!

i also think it's sad that there are movements in taiwan and parts of mainland china to ban dog-eating simply cos it's considered "uncivilised". uncivilised by who? the PETA-bots? if it was suspected of spreading of disease like eating civet cats and SARS, then fine, but otherwise it's just the PETA imperialists forcing their way of life on the world the same way bush is "spreading democracy" in the middle east.

[relus]

Eating dog isnt wrong. Raping animals and dogs is wrong :p
http://www.komotv.com/stories/38000.htm
http://www.thelocal.se/article.php?ID=1357&date=20050429
http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/tallahassee/news/12136222.htm
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002382718_horse15m.html
http://www.fox21.com/Global/story.asp?S=3456745

[Faithless]

A class-C felony in some instances...

DOG DEATH NETS 1 YEAR IN PRISON (http://www.pbcommercial.com/articles/2005/07/07/news/news3.txt)

By Amy Riggin/OF THE COMMERCIAL STAFF
Thursday, July 7, 2005 9:36 AM CDT

MONTICELLO -- A man charged with theft and cruelty to animals for killing and eating a dog was sentenced to a year in prison and ordered to pay restitution Tuesday.

Robert Wilkerson, 26, of Conway, formerly of Drew County, pleaded guilty during a hearing Tuesday at the Drew County Circuit Court.

Circuit Judge Sam Pope accepted the plea bargain reached between the prosecutor's office and Wilkerson's attorney, Mark Jesse of Little Rock.

Wilkerson began his sentence Tuesday at the Arkansas Department of Correction's Delta Regional Unit at Dermott. He will serve three years probation when released.

Pope also ordered Wilkerson to pay $4,000 in restitution to Don Pace, owner of the 4-year-old Japanese Akita named Bear.

...
Wilkerson was charged with Class C felony theft and Class A misdemeanor animal cruelty. Had a plea agreement not been reached, he would have faced a possible three to 10 years in prison because the dog was valued at more than $500.
...

Or cuisine in others...

nthology demystifies Vietnamese food (http://vietnamnews.vnagency.com.vn/showarticle.php?num=02SUN170705)

(17-07-2005)

by Clint Lambert

The Cuisine of Vietnam – Nourishing a Culture is not a cookbook, but more an exploration of the culture behind Vietnamese cooking. It is an anthology of different articles that have been selected from hundreds of food-centred pieces published in Vietnam Cultural Window. Mostly firsthand accounts written by Vietnamese, but interspersed with a Westerner’s take on the delicious, yet sometimes, complicated dishes that make up Vietnamese cuisine.

...
Armed with this book, an expat can move with confidence through the market place and eating stalls of bustling Ha Noi and not be so ignorant or afraid of the traditions of the Vietnamese.

However, one notable exception to the book’s content was dog, which would have been an ideal dish to demystify. As many people do not understand when it is eaten or why. Maybe in the revised edition.

[hooligan]

Eating dog isnt wrong. Raping animals and dogs is wrong :p
http://www.komotv.com/stories/38000.htm
http://www.thelocal.se/article.php?ID=1357&date=20050429
http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/tallahassee/news/12136222.htm
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002382718_horse15m.html
http://www.fox21.com/Global/story.asp?S=3456745

Touche, haha.

[ChinaLama]

Better to eat dogs than rape them :p

well, if a guy's gonna eat it anyway...

[haplesshobo]

Just saw a related story on BBCAmerica about Chinese skinning dogs and cats for their fur, and the barbaric conditions that arise from the practice. First of all, I never knew that people actually wore cat fur or dog fur. Again, you had the handlers poking and stabbing the animals. Is it the same idea behind it as people beating up a dog before serving it?

[SunWuKong]

Just saw a related story on BBCAmerica about Chinese skinning dogs and cats for their fur, and the barbaric conditions that arise from the practice. First of all, I never knew that people actually wore cat fur or dog fur. Again, you had the handlers poking and stabbing the animals. Is it the same idea behind it as people beating up a dog before serving it?

Paul McCartney raised hell after he saw videos of cats and dogs being skinned for their fur. so now he's calling for everybody in the world, yes, the entire global population, to boycott all Chinese goods, yes, all of it. :rolleyes:

but guess who buys the cat and dog furs? here's a hint, it's not illegal to trade in cat and dog furs in the UK and most of Europe.

McCartney is also saying something like he can't believe the host government for the next Olympics Games is letting this happen. it's basically the same story like when Brigitte Bardot led a campaign against Korea during the 2002 World Cup for it's dog-eating. basically, the message is, why can't Asian countries be "civilised" like us?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4476664.stm

[hooligan]

Sounds like Hapless never read "The Jungle" by Sinclair.

[mr. x]

and once again I'll say it, clearly the Chinese need to cut out with the cat/dog fur wearing and get themselves a leather jacket with leopard skin underwear

[shakuhachi]

The problem of dog eating is not as simple as cultural difference. The method of killing the dog is excessively cruel, with the dog usually being tortured before death to tenderize the meat. Koreans even have a saying about this - ‘개는 때려 잡아야 맛있다’, which literally means ‘beaten dogs taste good’.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

^ The exact same can be said for the torturous conditions under which livestock in the states are breeded for the sole purpose of slaughter. And no, I'm not a vegetarian. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.

[pikachupacabra]

Hypocrisy or not, I'm against animal abuse in all shapes, sizes, and forms.

And whether it be the tortured dogs in korea, or the horrible conditions of the chickens in the US, they're both wrong.


http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0606/p09s02-coop.html
Unfortunately, the industry also operates virtually free of any legal animal welfare regulations. Chickens raised for food are exempt from both the Animal Welfare Act and the Humane Methods of Slaughter Act. Furthermore, standard agricultural practices used for chickens are exempted from most states' anticruelty statutes.


This one has videos, and I really advise NOT watching them. Kind of gross.
http://www.chickenindustry.com/cfi/broilerindustryreport/

Birds then have their throats cut by hand or machine. Failure by workers or machines to cut both carotid arteries can add two minutes to the time taken for birds to bleed to death.(57) As slaughter lines run at speeds of up to 8,400 chickens per hour, many workers miss these arteries and most machines are not even designed to cut them properly.(58) One researcher concluded, the “problems associated with inefficient neck cutting [are] only too common in poultry processing plants.”(59) As a result, birds may be conscious as they enter tanks of scalding water intended to loosen the birds’ feathers. One study found that up to 23 percent of broilers were still alive when they entered scalding tanks.(60)

Just plain terrible. Even the evil pharma companies aren't this bad.


Again, the tit-for-tat attitudes of "you do it too so i'm not so bad" isn't the right way to go. Cattle in the US are treated somewhat better than chickens. Legislation is the way to go. And in Asia? I don't even know if they have legislation...but legislation and some sort of enforcement structure is the way to go also.

[haplesshobo]

Sounds like Hapless never read "The Jungle" by Sinclair.

Supposed to in high school, but ended up just reading the cliff notes.

As a meat eater, I don't think there's necessairly anything wrong with people eating cats or dogs.

But, what strikes me as abhorrent is that those animals are being tortured just for the sake of being tortured so that that their meat will supposedly taste better. Now, conditions for livestock may not be much better in the States, but nobody is going out of their way either to try to inflict torture on those animals just for the sake of torturing those animals. To me, that is an important distinction.

[hooligan]

Supposed to in high school, but ended up just reading the cliff notes.

As a meat eater, I don't think there's necessairly anything wrong with people eating cats or dogs.

But, what strikes me as abhorrent is that those animals are being tortured just for the sake of being tortured so that that their meat will supposedly taste better. Now, conditions for livestock may not be much better in the States, but nobody is going out of their way either to try to inflict torture on those animals just for the sake of torturing those animals. To me, that is an important distinction.

I had a Tofurkey sausage yesterday, it was great.

[uhhden]

But, what strikes me as abhorrent is that those animals are being tortured just for the sake of being tortured so that that their meat will supposedly taste better. Now, conditions for livestock may not be much better in the States, but nobody is going out of their way either to try to inflict torture on those animals just for the sake of torturing those animals. To me, that is an important distinction.

*Googling for the PETA video on KFC...*

[mr. x]

and isn't foie gras basically something like stuffing a cow silly gluttony from the movie Seven style? (too lazy to look up)

[Leinad]

koreans ...

silly soda... i don't eat dogs as u wudn't:mad:

no offence to ne1, but i think it's wrong cuz dogs (and cats) are very popular house pets, that have kinda integrated with the family. U wouldn't eat your baby, wud you? O maybe if it was... na jks.

btw mr X, how'd u get into this project in the first place????

[kimpossible]

and isn't foie gras basically something like stuffing a cow silly gluttony from the movie Seven style? (too lazy to look up)

foie gras is goose liver. i think you mean veal, where a calf is immobilized, fed a milk-only diet, then slaughtered. the immobilization and lack of grains is to keep the meat tender and whiter.

[TyroneK(prettypretty)]

Foie gras is also created by force feeding a goose or duck. California recently passed a law gradually banning foie gras.

http://www.upc-online.org/fall04/foiegras.htm

[SunWuKong]

i'm against the torturous conditions that dogs and cats are killed for either their meat or their fur. but hell, does anybody really think groups and people like PETA want to stop at the torture of the animals? not me. i think they'll keep labeling Asian countries as "uncivilised" until they stop eating dogs and anything else that western countries don't eat.

foie gras is goose liver. i think you mean veal, where a calf is immobilized, fed a milk-only diet, then slaughtered. the immobilization and lack of grains is to keep the meat tender and whiter.

yeah a friend of mine told me years ago about veal and i was so disgusted that i haven't eatened veal since. apparently the calves basically live in their own shit because they're caged in and are never allowed to move.

[uhhden]

foie gras is goose liver. i think you mean veal, where a calf is immobilized, fed a milk-only diet, then slaughtered. the immobilization and lack of grains is to keep the meat tender and whiter.

On a sorta related note...Kobe beef which doesn't require any of this nonsense is way better anyways...and the cows are kept in a calm and serene environment...well, according to the documentary on Kobe beef on AzN TV at least...:rolleyes:

[kimpossible]

There's also a free-range version of veal. It's allowed to roam and it eats a bit of grass so the meat is a bit pink and not as tender. But if for some reason you really need veal but don't want to support traditional methods, there is an alternative these days.

I prefer to dine of the body parts of little lambs.

[haplesshobo]

i'm against the torturous conditions that dogs and cats are killed for either their meat or their fur. but hell, does anybody really think groups and people like PETA want to stop at the torture of the animals? not me. i think they'll keep labeling Asian countries as "uncivilised" until they stop eating dogs and anything else that western countries don't eat.


I think that it was Paul McCartney who called skinning cats and dogs 'uncivilized.' As far as I know, PETA has also been very critical of western practices as well, such as the way we raise livestock in the States. And, PETA has also gone after things that the western world eats but which Asians don't such as foie gras.

[uhhden]

I think that it was Paul McCartney who called skinning cats and dogs 'uncivilized.' As far as I know, PETA has also been very critical of western practices as well, such as the way we raise livestock in the States. And, PETA has also gone after things that the western world eats but which Asians don't such as foie gras.

I think you missed the whole thing about foie gras being goose liver and veal being what you were talking about...

but yeah...look for the PETA video on KFC...it's uhh...disturbing to put it lightly.

[Leinad]

Foie gras is also created by force feeding a goose or duck. California recently passed a law gradually banning foie gras.

http://www.upc-online.org/fall04/foiegras.htm

bless arnie

[SunWuKong]

On a sorta related note...Kobe beef which doesn't require any of this nonsense is way better anyways...and the cows are kept in a calm and serene environment...well, according to the documentary on Kobe beef on AzN TV at least...:rolleyes:

i watched a documentary on Kobe beef a long time ago and apparently real Kobe cows are massaged regularly. they have these women spray beer on them and then massage them.

[Flow to Live]

I hate PETA, they're all hypocrites.

[kusojiji]

i watched a documentary on Kobe beef a long time ago and apparently real Kobe cows are massaged regularly. they have these women spray beer on them and then massage them.


Oh, that's where my home movie tape went! Please return it immediately!

[Leinad]

u guys know about SQUIRRILS eating dogs?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4489792.stm

hey hey

[haplesshobo]

I think you missed the whole thing about foie gras being goose liver and veal being what you were talking about...

but yeah...look for the PETA video on KFC...it's uhh...disturbing to put it lightly.

I'm confused about what you're trying to say there, and I reread the previous posts.

I know that foie gras is goose liver. But, people are making claims that PETA is hypocritical for criticizing asian culture of eating dog. I'm not a big fan of PETA myself as I find them to be extremist, but PETA has also gone after western food and practices as well, such as foie gras.

[mr. x]

u guys know about SQUIRRILS eating dogs?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4489792.stm

hey hey
man you do not fuck with Russian anything, even their water is spicy :tongue:

[eos]

man you do not fuck with Russian anything, even their water is spicy :tongue:

"in russia, you don't lift weights: they lift YOU!"
LOL...just had to say that. :biggrin:

[hkRT]

Paul McCartney raised hell after he saw videos of cats and dogs being skinned for their fur. so now he's calling for everybody in the world, yes, the entire global population, to boycott all Chinese goods, yes, all of it. :rolleyes:

but guess who buys the cat and dog furs? here's a hint, it's not illegal to trade in cat and dog furs in the UK and most of Europe.

McCartney is also saying something like he can't believe the host government for the next Olympics Games is letting this happen. it's basically the same story like when Brigitte Bardot led a campaign against Korea during the 2002 World Cup for it's dog-eating. basically, the message is, why can't Asian countries be "civilised" like us?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4476664.stm

I'm glad you did not add the Sir in front of Paul McCartney's name. :smile: Don't like his attitude. Even though I am against animal cruelty also.

Hypocrisy or not, I'm against animal abuse in all shapes, sizes, and forms.

And whether it be the tortured dogs in korea, or the horrible conditions of the chickens in the US, they're both wrong.

My thoughts exactly.

[Nakata]

can someone help me out? i have to do a group project on dogeating

anyway i need to do the social context of it like how it came to be and so forth, can someone push me in the right direction?

To a large degree its cultural in countries were its eaten it won`t be so widely frowned upon..(though many people in those countries may hate it)

In other cultures were Dogs are seen as pets then it is most often seen as at least weird at worst horrific...

Arguments against it range from Dogs are highly intelligent Animals with a heightened sense of awarness and emotions..(though the same can be said of Pigs)
Too its not the actual eating/killing but the methods used to kill the Dog that is inhumane.

Should be noted though that most are upset about the Dogs being killed as opposed to the eating of Dog in itself..
Though some see Dog eating as disgusting...that kind of reaction and to some extent other reactions can be deemed as cultural clashes in nature..

[SunWuKong]

To a large degree its cultural in countries were its eaten it won`t be so widely frowned upon..(though many people in those countries may hate it)

In other cultures were Dogs are seen as pets then it is most often seen as at least weird at worst horrific...

people in China keep dogs as pets and have been doing so for thousands of years. the difference is, when you eat dog, you're not eating your pet. (you're eating someone else's pet! hahhah!)

it's like this. a man may sexually objectify a woman, but that random woman he's objectifying is not the same as his mother or sister, nor does she make him think of his mother or sister.

[Nakata]

people in China keep dogs as pets and have been doing so for thousands of years. the difference is, when you eat dog, you're not eating your pet. (you're eating someone else's pet! hahhah!)

it's like this. a man may sexually objectify a woman, but that random woman he's objectifying is not the same as his mother or sister, nor does she make him think of his mother or sister.

westerners (whites) are also known to keep Rabbits as pets but will often eat Rabbits as food so that would be similar...

Maybe I should say that in the west Dogs are ONLY seen as pets so that is the reason why they make more fuss about Dog being eaten.
Most off the fuss is biased and hypocritical since Animal treatment including of Dogs in the west can hardly be called saintly or entirely benign...

Also my understanding is that Dog eating is only practised in certain parts of China and is not a China wide practice?

[Leinad]

not too sure about ur last paragraph Nakata... but I agree with ya on da rest.... ONLY as pets...

[relus]

Eating dog is wrong because the white man says so, therefore he is right and everyone else is wrong /end sarcasm.

[SunWuKong]

Also my understanding is that Dog eating is only practised in certain parts of China and is not a China wide practice?

not sure, but there's a Chinese saying that goes something like that we eat anything whose back faces the sky. :biggrin:

it's not exactly like an everyday kind of dish. something like dog is like a delicacy and really, as far as i know, most people in China don't eat dogs anymore.

[ModernLogic]

not sure, but there's a Chinese saying that goes something like that we eat anything whose back faces the sky. :biggrin:

My gramma used to say that shit. It was a mini-limerick.

[grimfan]

The French are all in a furor because international PETA-types are trying to outlaw foie gras. But I wouldn't compare overfed goose liver to dogs because the charge against foie gras is that it requires a barbaric process. Eating dog is not considered wrong because of the killing process, but because the dog itself is so revered in Western society. I better not hear one foie gras eating person condemn any Asian nation for eating dogs.

[haplesshobo]

The French are all in a furor because international PETA-types are trying to outlaw foie gras. But I wouldn't compare overfed goose liver to dogs because the charge against foie gras is that it requires a barbaric process.

Well, I would call both of them barbaric. After all, when you're killing the dog, one of the goals is to try to make the death as painful as possible for the dog in the belief that such a dog tastes better.

[Nermal]

I did'nt read all the 8 pages but just a few posts on page one.
I think it is "gross" to eat dogs in present day context when foods are plentiful. :eek:

Dogs are intelligent and men's best friends. Often they save their masters' lives, are their loyal companions and true friends. Kiling a member of your family as a food source is worst than cannibalism.

If red meat (beef, pork), white meat (poultry), seafood (fish, shellfish) are not readily available. One can obtain the much needed energy from vegetable proteins (soy beans, soy products, azuki or red beans, eggplants, mung beans.. etc.)

Also, we do not eat pork when we are in the company of our muslim friends. So we should extend the same kind of respect to those around us who may find the practice of 'dog eating' socially unacceptable.

[grimfan]

Well, I would call both of them barbaric. After all, when you're killing the dog, one of the goals is to try to make the death as painful as possible for the dog in the belief that such a dog tastes better.

Yes, I agree. But I don't think many Asians are offended by the fact that many consider the process of beating a dog to death barbaric. They're offended that others think that simply eating a dog is in itself a barbaric act.

[bushido]

I remember when I was on a business trip in Korea. One of the Korean businessman look at me and asked "Do you eat bitch?"

I stared at him for about 20 seconds, then it dawned on me what he is asking.

[Nakata]

Yes, I agree. But I don't think many Asians are offended by the fact that many consider the process of beating a dog to death barbaric. They're offended that others think that simply eating a dog is in itself a barbaric act.

What I find offensive is ..

1 how the western media makes out that Dog eating is an Asia wide thing that all Asians do...when in fact its not all Asian countries and not all people within those countries that do ...

2. How people like that EX beetle guy call Asian countries like China uncivillised for its treatment of Animals and calls for boycotts without looking at how his own country and people treat Animals including Dogs...

[mr. x]

What I find offensive is ..

1 how the western media makes out that Dog eating is an Asia wide thing that all Asians do...when in fact its not all Asian countries and not all people within those countries that do ...

2. How people like that EX beetle guy call Asian countries like China uncivillised for its treatment of Animals and calls for boycotts without looking at how his own country and people treat Animals including Dogs...

1. dogs eaten

2. dogs in england help the humans kill other animals so its all good! :rolleyes:

what annoys me is that people who think they are so enlightened that they empathize with a dog's sentient life but don't realize the hierarchy of value applied to an animal comes from their cultural perspective.

[Leinad]

I did'nt read all the 8 pages but just a few posts on page one.
I think it is "gross" to eat dogs in present day context when foods are plentiful. :eek:

Dogs are intelligent and men's best friends. Often they save their masters' lives, are their loyal companions and true friends. Kiling a member of your family as a food source is worst than cannibalism.

If red meat (beef, pork), white meat (poultry), seafood (fish, shellfish) are not readily available. One can obtain the much needed energy from vegetable proteins (soy beans, soy products, azuki or red beans, eggplants, mung beans.. etc.)

Also, we do not eat pork when we are in the company of our muslim friends. So we should extend the same kind of respect to those around us who may find the practice of 'dog eating' socially unacceptable.

i saw this once in my class, 'yo amin, want my sandwich? it's got ham...'

[Martino]

westerners (whites) are also known to keep Rabbits as pets but will often eat Rabbits as food so that would be similar...

Not really. Rabbit might be on the menu if it came in a tin can, and the rabbit was bred for the purpose eating far out of sight of the consumer (just as they do with those cute little lambs we love to eat so much), but I don't think any Mum and Dad are going to give their kids a family pet the children have bonded with ...

Think of the trauma (and vomiting) when mother says Children, you can't leave the table until you've finished eating Mr Snuggles ...

[SunWuKong]

Not really. Rabbit might be on the menu if it came in a tin can, and the rabbit was bred for the purpose eating far out of sight of the consumer (just as they do with those cute little lambs we love to eat so much), but I don't think any Mum and Dad are going to give their kids a family pet the children have bonded with ...

Think of the trauma (and vomiting) when mother says Children, you can't leave the table until you've finished eating Mr Snuggles ...

the solution is obvious then. we must start canning dog meat.

[eos]

i think we should start eating people.

[TB4000]

i think we should start eating people.
:eek:

Knock yourself out, but just eat the ones that deserve it. I'm nothing but skin and bones.

[kimpossible]

:eek:

Knock yourself out, but just eat the ones that deserve it. I'm nothing but skin and bones.

There's always marrow. And soup from bones is always the best.

[eos]

"a modest proposal" anyone? not that i advocate baby-eating because they're so adorable and innocent.

[AliBabaIncorporated]

Hey, if it walks on 4 limbs and its back faces the sky ...

[eos]

^ :eek:

i guess the plump ones will be nice and juicy.

[rice cracker]

i think we should start eating people.

Soylent dimsum.

[haplesshobo]

i think we should start eating people.

Hey, that's being ethnocentric and racist!

After all, there are some tribes in parts of the world that practice cannabalsim. To say that they shouldn't be allowed to continue their cultural practice of canabalism would be to impose western values and morals on them. After all, isn't that the gist of what some people are complaining here- that its wrong for western world to impose its standards and values about dogs onto asians.

[bushido]

Hey, that's being ethnocentric and racist!

After all, there are some tribes in parts of the world that practice cannabalsim. To say that they shouldn't be allowed to continue their cultural practice of canabalism would be to impose western values and morals on them. After all, isn't that the gist of what some people are complaining here- that its wrong for western world to impose its standards and values about dogs onto asians.


Besure to remember this when people are eating you.

[eos]

dude....CHILL OUT

where the hell in my post did i say they shouldn't be able to eat anymore people? come to think of it, i wasn't even thinking about real cannibals when i posted. have you read the other responses to my post? they seem to get that i was kidding. sheesh.

Besure to remember this when people are eating you.


THANK YOU.

[bushido]

dude....CHILL OUT

where the hell in my post did i say they shouldn't be able to eat anymore people? come to think of it, i wasn't even thinking about real cannibals when i posted. have you read the other responses to my post? they seem to get that i was kidding. sheesh.




THANK YOU.


I was responding to haplesshobo's comment. :tongue:

[haplesshobo]

dude....CHILL OUT

where the hell in my post did i say they shouldn't be able to eat anymore people? come to think of it, i wasn't even thinking about real cannibals when i posted. have you read the other responses to my post? they seem to get that i was kidding. sheesh.


Yes, I know you were joking and I was making a joke as well.

[pikachupacabra]

Let's get back to the topic everyone wants to talk about; stealing, boiling, and eating that annoying yappy pomeranian next door.

[SunWuKong]

In Soviet Russia, dog eat you.

[TB4000]

In Soviet Russia, dog eat you.
Not to mention in lower Compton where they breed pitbulls to fight.

[Irezumi Kiss]

Waitaminit...back to the cannibal thing...if that ball ever gets rolling, will it then be okay for me to say to a girl, "I wanna eat you" and not get slapped into next week for it?

[eos]

I was responding to haplesshobo's comment. :tongue:

i was thanking you for know what i was talking about.

and to haplesshobo: i guess i'm sorry for chewing your head off....literally. LOL :biggrin:

[haplesshobo]

Yes, I agree. But I don't think many Asians are offended by the fact that many consider the process of beating a dog to death barbaric. They're offended that others think that simply eating a dog is in itself a barbaric act.

I agree that such issuses are at play where westerns regard eating a dog as barbaric, and why the issuse has so much resonance for a western audience. After all, if we were talking about something with no emotional appeal to westerns, then the issue of that animal's mistreatment probably wouldn't be an issue to most white people.

However, the criticisms I've seen by PETA and others were focused exclusively on the treatment of the dogs prior to them being eaten, not necessairly that a dog was being eaten. From what I understand, to PETA, there is no hierachy between humans and animals. So, eating a dog would be just as barbaric as eating a pig or any other animal.

To me, as long as we reflexisively defend such practices because we feel westerners are imposing their values on us, then the issue of better treatment for dogs will never get addressed. I think we need to separate the issue into is whether eating a dog is acceptable. And, if it is, then should there be certain standards of treatment before the dog is killed.

[mr. x]

In Soviet Russia, dog eat you.
in soviet union squirrel chase dog:rolleyes: