Anyone know of Christians w/loose sexual mores? [Archive]

mr. x

11-09-2003, 01:32 AM

teaz0r

11-09-2003, 01:44 AM

doesn't it depend on what sect their in?

Tao

11-09-2003, 01:59 AM

I ask because im getting a little confused sometimes. i mean ive gone to church gatherings (im not Christian myself) and most there seem to agree on waiting til marriage. i know they arent Puritan when it comes to sex, i mean the guys especially, will tell dirty jokes here and there and go "you pimp" and that sorta thing

what im wondering though is do you know of Christians who seem to be pretty loose? or is it simply that they have grown out of their religion, kinda distanced themselves from it...
i know supposed "christians" who imo only do it in order to gain social acceptance, and feel safe and comfortable to be able to say that some omnipotent being will take care of them even though he/she doesn't act deserving of such care.

that's why i beleive the real christians are the ones who do by example not by what they "officially" declare in front of other people.

Chester

11-09-2003, 02:39 AM

Are you kidding me? "Christians" are the freakiest of them all.

SunWuKong

11-09-2003, 02:49 AM

it depends. most are really "pure". they'll wait till marriage, and they don't know how to think dirty thoughts unless it's been taught to them (i know because i've "taught" a few before...).

but there are definitely those who'll have pre-marital sex.

Proud_Jook_Sing

11-09-2003, 08:57 AM

Can you say Catholic school girls? :D

stunninglyAsian

11-09-2003, 10:39 AM

Based on what I've seen, a lot of those Christians, especially the Asian ones, are Christian to become popular. If you go to a church with a big social group, now you've got things to do, people to hangout with. I think 99% of the people there are too shy to do anything about dating, so rather than look like a loser who can't get hooked up, they say, "I don't date because I believe in the Holy Lord, Jesus Christ and dating is a sin according to the Bible." But if you presented one of these people with a option to date and have fantastic, pre-marital sex, most of them would throw that statement right out the door.

Also, I don't understand the G-rated, Asian Christian Ebonics dialect, what is up with that? An example:

John: Yo, yo, yo Sarah... where was your lazy ass last night? You missed bible study again, yo! You know we gotta be reppin' JC 24-7!

Sarah: What the freak, John! Don't cuss! Yeah I know JC be lookin' out for me... but yo, the temptations of street life, they be, like callin out to me and it's tough, you know? But I prayed, I prayed last night for strength to stand up to temptation. And to forgive me for my sins.

John: Dang, girl... I didn't know you was in deep, So what did you do last night? Repent fo' yo' sins, my sista... You can peep this Christian thug the 411

Sarah: I was chillin' with my homegirl Judy last night... we watched a R-rated movie (bursts into tears)

SunWuKong

11-09-2003, 12:49 PM

Also, I don't understand the G-rated, Asian Christian Ebonics dialect, what is up with that? An example:

John: Yo, yo, yo Sarah... where was your lazy ass last night? You missed bible study again, yo! You know we gotta be reppin' JC 24-7!

Sarah: What the freak, John! Don't cuss! Yeah I know JC be lookin' out for me... but yo, the temptations of street life, they be, like callin out to me and it's tough, you know? But I prayed, I prayed last night for strength to stand up to temptation. And to forgive me for my sins.

John: Dang, girl... I didn't know you was in deep, So what did you do last night? Repent fo' yo' sins, my sista... You can peep this Christian thug the 411

Sarah: I was chillin' with my homegirl Judy last night... we watched a R-rated movie (bursts into tears)

hahhahhah :laugh:
i've never seen that, but do people actually talk like that?

Tao

11-09-2003, 02:52 PM

yeah around here there are korean and chinese church going teens that try to make jesus hip and all that....and I'm like "WTF?"

ChinaLama

11-09-2003, 04:11 PM

and then they listen to sappy Christian rock. South Park did a spoof on that recently, "All you do is take crappy pop songs and replace the word "baby" with "Jesus"."

stunninglyAsian

11-09-2003, 04:35 PM

and then they listen to sappy Christian rock. South Park did a spoof on that recently, "All you do is take crappy pop songs and replace the word "baby" with "Jesus"."

Go to amazon.com and serach for ghetto pretcha or gospel gangstaz. They got albums like gang affiliated- I am not lying. I don't understand why you need to be a gangsta to be a cool Christian. Next thing you know, one of these Christian rappers will be like 50 cent- Some teenager with loose morals will get punched 5 times in the chest in a petty fight, then realized the error of his ways and turn into a born-again Christian who makes Christian rap albums.

AngryABCGirl

11-09-2003, 04:46 PM

I know tons of Christians who get freaky deaky. Personally I think they're hypocrites.

kitty

11-09-2003, 04:49 PM

I knew a freaky Christian -- but then he all but renounced his faith.

tapestrybabe

11-09-2003, 04:55 PM

OH man...
anyone familiar with the heavy metal christian band... Stryper...
i use to listen to them all the time in the 80's...

ChinaLama

11-09-2003, 04:56 PM

Go to amazon.com and serach for ghetto pretcha or gospel gangstaz. They got albums like gang affiliated- I am not lying. I don't understand why you need to be a gangsta to be a cool Christian. Next thing you know, one of these Christian rappers will be like 50 cent- Some teenager with loose morals will get punched 5 times in the chest in a petty fight, then realized the error of his ways and turn into a born-again Christian who makes Christian rap albums.

Bone Thugs-N-Harmony(is that the name of the group?) is kind of like that, but they're good.

mr. x

11-09-2003, 10:02 PM

and then they listen to sappy Christian rock. South Park did a spoof on that recently, "All you do is take crappy pop songs and replace the word "baby" with "Jesus"."

what?!? they musta ripped off simpsons cuz i remember that from a episode where Ned's talking to a Christian folk singer and she's talking about someone and said "they've gone pop, all you do is change Jesus to baby"

mr. x

11-09-2003, 10:05 PM

doesn't it depend on what sect their in?

hmm you mean like Catholic? don't a lot of Catholics do that? i mean like they do it and then "father i have sinned"

do it

"father i have sinned"

repeat

maybe im generalizing but im sure there are some right?

anyway i duno too many explicit actual cases of asian christians though i ask cuz sometimes they are borderline it seems. like i heard this one girl went to church in like a tube top i guess and they made her leave and wear a jacket or something. some guys are like "yeah my church has hella fine girls"

sdcheung

11-09-2003, 10:43 PM

< Orthodox Christian.
premarital sex Ok if no condom.

mr. x

11-09-2003, 11:05 PM

< Orthodox Christian.
premarital sex Ok if no condom.

hehe "well so long as you're not preventing pregnancy its all good"

thaite

11-09-2003, 11:16 PM

women with loose morals? Hell, yeah! I'm down with that!

sdcheung

11-09-2003, 11:25 PM

Nod Nod.
mmm.. Orthodox Christian
as in http://www.oca.org
http://www.goarch.org and
http://www.antiochian.org

ChinaLama

11-10-2003, 07:45 AM

< Orthodox Christian.
premarital sex Ok if no condom.

that's quite an UNorthodox definition for "fornication."

ChinaLama

11-10-2003, 07:54 AM

hmm you mean like Catholic? don't a lot of Catholics do that? i mean like they do it and then "father i have sinned"

do it

"father i have sinned"

repeat

maybe im generalizing but im sure there are some right?

I found out, much to my surprise, that someone I knew was Christian (not sure if he's in a denomination, though). He actually said-- in a joking manner-- something like, "I figure I'll just repent before I die and just sin in the meantime." :D

Oh, the guy's also into politics. I wonder, is it like mandatory for politicians to "pick a religion?" (someone told me once that they do "pick religions" based on what seems to be electable) You rarely if ever hear about an atheistic pol.

kboy75

11-10-2003, 09:24 AM

too many to count

sdcheung

11-10-2003, 09:42 AM

Bah..what do Prots and Catholics know?
They are unsaved..
They are outside of the Church (Orthodox Church) that does give them salvation. They are Heretics, and their Churches have No Grace. Their worship style sucks. Jesus never played a Guitar or fiddled around with a Overhead projector.

and yes Premarital Sex is OK, w/o a Condom though.

ChinaLama

11-10-2003, 09:45 AM

and yes Premarital Sex is OK, w/o a Condom though.

I'm really interested in this point. Can you cite doctrine or Bible passages that say so? I'm not a Christian myself, but I didn't know there was a church that actually said premarital sex is ok.

ellsworth81

11-10-2003, 09:47 AM

hah
another bash christians thread. some things will never change.

sad
but true
but still sad

thaite

11-10-2003, 11:37 AM

No one's bashing, you meathead.

Rogmok

11-10-2003, 02:45 PM

i'm a christian.. and biblically your suppose to wait until your married before having sex.

but yeah, there are many christians that sleep around have no qualms about pre-marital sex. I think it depends how how conservative you are and how sheltered you were growing up.

I know a lot of young adult christians that get all uncomfortable and awkward when the topic of sex is discussed... and i think thats just stupid, they need to just grow up.

sdcheung

11-10-2003, 02:45 PM

sdcheung

11-10-2003, 02:48 PM

ellesworth..
depends on your definition of Christian.
are you protestant or catholic?

ChinaLama

11-10-2003, 02:55 PM

It's not online.
it's in one of the Church Canons <laws> called the Pedalion, or the Rudder.
Go to an Orthodox Church in your neighborhood and ask if you can see "The Rudder". Should be under the Rules for Sex.

We're approaching the nativity fast (Nov 15 till Dec 25th) so no more sex or dairy, or meaty foods, no more wine or Oil for 40 days. it's our Winter Lent.

so is this church website wrong, or am i misreading?

http://www.oca.org/pages/ocaadmin/documents/All-American-Council/10-Miami-1992/Synodal-Affirmations.html#mystery

Sexual intercourse is to be protected as a sacred expression of love within the community of heterosexual monogamous marriage in which alone it can be that for which God has given it to human beings for their sanctification.

http://www.oca.org/pages/ocaadmin/documents/holysynod/marriage.html

2. No form of sexual relationship fulfills human life as created and sanctified by God except the relationship between one man and one woman in the community of marriage.

sdcheung

11-10-2003, 03:01 PM

Chinalama..
it was dated 1992.
you know how many directives that church went through?

anyway, my Jurisdiction is the Greek orthodox Acrchdiocese of North and South America.

ChinaLama

11-10-2003, 03:03 PM

Chinalama..
it was dated 1992.
you know how many directives that church went through?

anyway, my Jurisdiction is the Greek orthodox Acrchdiocese of North and South America.

Sorry for picking on you dude, but it's just that your statement that "premarital sex is ok" is so different from EVERY other Christian theology I know of (and i admit my knowledge is very cursory), that I just can't help but doubt it. And it seems what I'm thinking is confirmed by what I read about the Orthodox Church. Sorry to load on you again, but here's another quote:

http://www.goarch.org/en/ourfaith/articles/article7101.asp

The Orthodox Church remains faithful to the biblical and traditional norms regarding premarital sexual relations between men and women. The only appropriate and morally fitting place for the exercise of sexual relations, according to the teachings of the Church, is marriage. The moral teaching of the Church on this matter has been unchanging since its foundation. In sum, the sanctity of marriage is the cornerstone of sexual morality. The whole range of sexual activity outside marriage - fornication, adultery and homosexuality - are thus seen as not fitting and appropriate to the Christian way of life.

Of course it's not my place to judge you, but I am curious about whether or not the information you say is accurate. According to these official Church websites (these are the official ones, right?), the preponderance of evidence indicates that your statement is inaccurate, but then again I have not seen the actual directive you referred to.

sdcheung

11-10-2003, 03:09 PM

I don't want to get into any jurisdictional squabbling..
but the Orthodox Church in America as a jurisdiction is a WEIRD Church

sdcheung

11-10-2003, 03:46 PM

It's called the pedalion.
as far as I know, I haven't seen it online.

mr. x

11-10-2003, 04:33 PM

isnt their beliefs among some Christians that a husband and wife cant enjoy sex either? like its strictly a reproductive act?

man if that's so, i may as well just put a bullet in my head

or hell have all the sex you want since you're going to hell anyway

sdcheung

11-10-2003, 04:41 PM

You can enjoy sex, but you can't shrink wrap your dick.
and if you knock her up, you knock her up. Gotta wait 11 mor emonths to enjoy sex, or preggo sex.

Emperor_Mike

11-10-2003, 04:46 PM

Yes...me.

I'm a strict Roman Catholic on most issues, but with regards to sex, it just doesn't fit the bill as far as I'm concerned. I think it's fine for me to say so if I don't go around expounding Church doctrine on the matter (which I don't) but if I did, then I'd be a hypocrite.

Technically, I can go into a confessional and have my sins absolved by Father So-and-So, but at the rate I'm going the priest will probably be sick and tired of me going in every weekend to say, "Father, forgive me for I have sinned. I have engaged in sexual relations with this girl" and so on and so forth...

That sounded pretty bad, actually. For the record, I'm not a man-whore and I don't sleep around just for the hell of it, so don't any you of jump to conclusions. "This girl" being my girlfriend, of course.

In any case, confessions wise, it's a recourse Catholics have. I'm not sure about Protestants and Eastern Orthodox, but that's the way it is for the followers of Vatican authority on all matters temporal of His Holy Church.

sdcheung

11-10-2003, 05:47 PM

His Holy Church?
You mean the Popes?
woooooooooow...
never knew it was His Church.
goes to show that the Orthodox Church is the way.

mr. x

11-10-2003, 10:17 PM

You can enjoy sex, but you can't shrink wrap your dick.
and if you knock her up, you knock her up. Gotta wait 11 mor emonths to enjoy sex, or preggo sex.

hmm so the idea is like "you can play russian roulette so long as you've got bullets in there, but God forbid you should remove them!" sorta thing?

like what if you umm, withdraw and deposit it elsewhere?

sdcheung

11-10-2003, 10:23 PM

hmm so the idea is like "you can play russian roulette so long as you've got bullets in there, but God forbid you should remove them!" sorta thing?

like what if you umm, withdraw and deposit it elsewhere?

Yeah you can do that.
I personally do it on the Boobies .

Emperor_Mike

11-11-2003, 03:57 AM

His Holy Church?
You mean the Popes?
woooooooooow...
never knew it was His Church.
goes to show that the Orthodox Church is the way.

It is understood that "his" with a capital "H" means God.

ellsworth81

11-11-2003, 05:10 PM

ellesworth..
depends on your definition of Christian.
are you protestant or catholic?

neither.

i didn't know there was a debatable/subjective definition of a christian. maybe i'm just too ignorant.

ellsworth81

11-11-2003, 05:17 PM

No one's bashing, you meathead.

i dunno. i'm getting this vibe of hypocrisy and fakers and stuff from a variety of posters...

the way someone explained it to me is that "they're christians, not fuckin' saints". it was profound. now i could really care less what they do. they're horny bastards just the same as everyone else. that's all i need to know.

on another note, how is meathead supposed to be insulting?

sdcheung

11-11-2003, 07:58 PM

ahhhhhhhhh...
Ellsworth, how'm i supposed to pigeonhole you ifn you don't tell me your allegiances.

I guess Non-Denominational (Which is of course a Denomination...of One.)

BaiginLong

11-11-2003, 10:10 PM

well it depends on how you define Christian
I personally think if you truly are Christian then you follow your beliefs
otherwise you're a hypocrite

so no I don't know any Christians that have loose sexual morals

I'm ex Christian and I still follow most of the rules including the whole no sex before marriage thing

thou shall not kill... well that's a different story:p

Emperor_Mike

11-12-2003, 03:55 AM

well it depends on how you define Christian
I personally think if you truly are Christian then you follow your beliefs
otherwise you're a hypocrite

...

That's faulty logic and over-presumption that the doctrines and teachings of the Christian faith (or any faith for that matter) are infallible. The issue of homosexuality and the Catholic Church, for example, is not a matter that I'm prepared to conform with. If I were to do so it'd almost be like I'm damning people for what Nature (not nurture) made them out to be and this goes against "Love thy neighbour." So if I were to take your view into consideration, I'd be deemed a hypocrite then for not following the Vatican's views on homosexuality? I think not. A line has to be drawn between reason and blind faith and I believe that it is the prerogative of every individual on God's green earth to not only think for themselves, but also be in possession of the freedom to look at Church doctrines and say, "No, this is not right, it's not fair, and it's an affront to everything we've been taught on how to be good and kind to people."

ellsworth81

11-12-2003, 06:59 AM

when i said neither, i meant i don't conform to any religious standard.

himura-dono

11-12-2003, 02:50 PM