Eurasian Beauty Myth

[rice cracker]

Does anyone know the origins of this myth? My theory is the heavy media influence showing white europeans as the most attractive race, then coupling that with the "exotic" Eastern phenotype. Thoughts? Speculations?

Also, I think female hapa haoles are more susceptible to this stereotype, whereas the males are often written off as "odd looking."

[SunWuKong]

is it not possible that this is not a myth, and that many mixed Asian people happen to fit society's idea of beauty? not that i haven't met hapa girls that i thought weren't very good looking, and yes, i admit i'm probably bias, but most of the hapa girls i've met are pretty good looking.

[Faithless]

The Ugly Truth Behind the Eurasian Beauty Myth:

http://www.multiracial.com/readers/vankerckhove.html
Beauty has emerged as one of the most pervasive stereotypes about Eurasians. As early as 1921, British writer W. Somerset Maugham described Ethel, the half-caste protagonist of The Pool, as being "adorably pretty" and resembling "something not of this earth" but more like "the spirit of the pool." This fascination with Eurasian beauty and exoticism continues today. Even in the forums of EurasianNation you can read numerous breathless accounts from males worshiping "hapa booty."

[SunWuKong]

The Ugly Truth Behind the Eurasian Beauty Myth:

http://www.multiracial.com/readers/vankerckhove.html


Beauty has emerged as one of the most pervasive stereotypes about Eurasians. As early as 1921, British writer W. Somerset Maugham described Ethel, the half-caste protagonist of The Pool, as being "adorably pretty" and resembling "something not of this earth" but more like "the spirit of the pool." This fascination with Eurasian beauty and exoticism continues today. Even in the forums of EurasianNation you can read numerous breathless accounts from males worshiping "hapa booty."


but wouldn't it be safe to assume that Asian countries are not effected by the Western idea that Eurasians are good looking? most of the Western celebrities and models that people in Asia are exposed to are just white, and not mixed.

[stunninglyAsian]

They're attractive because white people see them as a westernized version of Asians. The white/Asians are exotic, but not sushi eating, cut your pinky finger off exotic.

Personally, all the white/Asian girls I've seen are way below average in the looks department. But then again, I've only seen 3.

[Cipherous]

I think mixed Asian/white are no more attractive than their Asian and White counterparts.

I think some people just find them rare, thus they're exotic. So thats why some people may be attracted to them.


But thats just my opinion.

[rice cracker]

I think mixed Asian/white are no more attractive than their Asian and White counterparts.

I think some people just find them rare, thus they're exotic. So thats why some people may be attracted to them.


But thats just my opinion.

I think that definitely has something to do with it. I think a lot of people don't know any Eurasians personally, so the few (gorgeous) ones that they see in the media are what they base this belief on.

[John0101]

I think most white people view eurasians as an asian. It's been my observation that white guys prefer white girls more then asian/eurasian girls.

With the lack of success in finding WF, asian guys take the next closest bet, eurasians.

[coagulated fat]

With the lack of success in finding WF, asian guys take the next closest bet, eurasians.
Ouch, baby. Very ouch.

[John0101]

Eurasian beauty myth definally stem from asians thou. White guys have the option of picking a busty blond bombshell to a 5'0 90 pound asian girl, seriously which one would you pick?

[rice cracker]

Eurasian beauty myth definally stem from asians thou. White guys have the option of picking a busty blond bombshell to a 5'0 90 pound asian girl, seriously which one would you pick?

Are you counting Asiaphiles? IMO it's definitely the appeal of the rare and uknown. We are familiar enough, but at the same time we're exotic as well.

[John0101]

Are you counting Asiaphiles? IMO it's definitely the appeal of the rare and uknown. We are familiar enough, but at the same time we're exotic as well.

Asiaphiles don't count, they are not normal. They'll think a 5'0 200 pound asian girl whose submissive is attractive.

[rice cracker]

Asiaphiles don't count, they are not normal. They'll think a 5'0 200 pound asian girl whose submissive is attractive.

Ok, I'll buy that about the Asiaphiles.

[John0101]

Ouch, baby. Very ouch.

so in the realm of asian male fantasies, first place goes to white females, second place goes to eurasians, and third and the last are full asian girls. ahhhhh, Don't ban me for this!

[rice cracker]

so in the realm of asian male fantasies, first place goes to white females, second place goes to eurasians, and third and the last are full asian girls. ahhhhh, Don't ban me for this!

Would this be true for Asian women? White guys first, Eurasian guys second and full Asian last? If that's the case, then I must disagree with you. White guys certainly aren't at the top of my list.

[John0101]

Would this be true for Asian women? White guys first, Eurasian guys second and full Asian last? If that's the case, then I must disagree with you. White guys certainly aren't at the top of my list.

ok, asian male sexual fantasies.

[rice cracker]

ok, asian male sexual fantasies.

I know what you meant, and my response was in kind.

[coagulated fat]

Eurasian beauty myth definally stem from asians thou. White guys have the option of picking a busty blond bombshell to a 5'0 90 pound asian girl, seriously which one would you pick?
You're mean. Ugh. I can't even imagine the yw backlash if I said the white guy equivalent of this.

[yoMAMA]

i blame it on marco polo :D

[John0101]

You're mean. Ugh. I can't even imagine the yw backlash if I said the white guy equivalent of this.

thank you, I can't believe all the magical powers I have. :ninja:

[rice cracker]

i blame it on marco polo :D

That's interesting, care to elaborate?

[Cipherous]

ok, asian male sexual fantasies.


uhhhhh...speak for yourself please.

White girls aren't the top of my list.

[kimpossible]

uhhhhh...speak for yourself please.

White girls aren't the top of my list.

Yeah, I was wondering when another guy would respond to this. I know for sure they aren't at the top of mrazntre's list either.

[John0101]

White girls are the reasons why male fobs came to america.

[rice cracker]

White girls are the reasons why male fobs came to america.

Oh, silly me, I thought people immigrated to America for a better life socially and economically.

Are you a troll?

[John0101]

Oh, silly me, I thought people immigrated to America for a better life socially and economically.

Are you a troll?

troll? :unsure:

That was a joke, a bad joke, but never the less a joke.

But, in all honestly I seriously believe the myth of eurasian beauty stem from asians. Social insitutions repeatly dictate that "white" is more beautiful then black, yellow. brown, etc. (we can see it on tv, movies, ads, etc), an eurasian girl has to fit into the social norm of what is beautiful for them to be more attactive then the other races (they have to look more white then asian). What is more "beautiful" is more in demand, but there are individual exceptions (1) Asianphile - these guys like asian girls w/ low self esteem, (2) asian girl = nerd = white guy (3) asian girl fit into social description of beauty (big boobs, etc) and is in demand by white guys.

So, how does this relate to eurasian beauty myth you ask?

White people still consider an eurasian girl, asian. Unless there individual features match the white perception of beauty (look white then asian, big boobs, etc). Asians do not fit into the socially construct idea of beauty. Therefore white people did not construct the idea of eurasian beauty.

Now i'm feeling :angry: I did not have a cig for 2 days now in a very bad mood.

[rice cracker]

troll? :unsure:

That was a joke, a bad joke, but never the less a joke.

But, in all honestly I seriously believe the myth of eurasian beauty stem from asians. Social insitutions repeatly dictate that "white" is more beautiful then black, yellow. brown, etc. (we can see it on tv, movies, ads, etc), an eurasian girl has to fit into the social norm of what is beautiful for them to be more attactive then the other races (they have to look more white then asian). What is more "beautiful" is more in demand, but there are individual exceptions (1) Asianphile - these guys like asian girls w/ low self esteem, (2) asian girl = nerd = white guy (3) asian girl fit into social description of beauty (big boobs, etc) and is in demand by white guys.

So, how does this relate to eurasian beauty myth you ask?

White people still consider an eurasian girl, asian. Unless there individual features match the white perception of beauty (look white then asian, big boobs, etc). Asians do not fit into the socially construct idea of beauty. Therefore white people did not construct the idea of eurasian beauty.

Now i'm feeling :angry: I did not have a cig for 2 days now in a very bad mood.

I apologize. I can see how asking if you are a troll would be offensive if indeed you are not. I don't have a sense of humor right now so I couldn't tell you were joking. Thanks for your input.

[John0101]

I apologize. I can see how asking if you are a troll would be offensive if indeed you are not. I don't have a sense of humor right now so I couldn't tell you were joking. Thanks for your input.

k

[SunWuKong]

Eurasian beauty myth definally stem from asians thou. White guys have the option of picking a busty blond bombshell to a 5'0 90 pound asian girl, seriously which one would you pick?

that would be an incorrect comparison. a 5'0" 90-pound Asian girl is not exactly the ideal image of female Asian beauty. how about a 5'6" 110-pound busty Asian girl? or how about comparing a 5'0" 90-pound Asian girl with a 5'9" 190-pound white girl? which would you pick? which would a white guy pick?

[SunWuKong]

With the lack of success in finding WF, asian guys take the next closest bet, eurasians.

maybe you, but not me. sorry, don't speak for all of us.

[SynRG]

Ugh, the Eurasian Beauty myth. Been here so many times.

First off I'm sure most people here are smart enough to figure this out, but just in case, it is a myth. There are just as many bust ass Eurasian girls/guys as there are fine/goodlooking ones. People just notice the good-looking ones more because the only person who is gonna take the time to figure out if an unattractive person is Eurasian would be another Eurasian.

Anyways, I beleive people have Eurasian fetishes for the same reason people have Asian fetishs, the only difference is Eurasians are seen as exotic by ALL races, including Asians.

[rice cracker]

I don't think you're at the top of their list either. I mean most White guys go for White women and that's basically a fact. The only White guys who go for Asian women are normally the geeky, anime-loving, low self-esteem, socially inept, anti-feminist men who'll find it a hell of a lot easier to date submissive Asian women than an assertive White woman. I mean let's face it: have you or I or anyone ever seen the *hottest* White guys going for Asian women, and no I'm not talking about the Maury Popovic types either.

I was not debating the fine points of interracial relationships with that comment. And since I look pretty white, I'll bet most white guys would figure me to be "an assertive white woman."

Anway, Synerg is correct, this is a myth, my question was more towards finding the origin of it. It sounds to me that there may be two reasons for it being.

1. We are seen as rare and exotic by both races.

2. This myth was originated by Asians.

I'm not saying one is correct over the other, or that I particularly hold either theory as absolute truth, I would just like more feedback on the subject without having to go to hapas.com or some other such site.

[SunWuKong]

People just notice the good-looking ones more because the only person who is gonna take the time to figure out if an unattractive person is Eurasian would be another Eurasian.

that's a good point. i've probably seen more Eurasians than i realise because i can't tell that some of them are actually mixed, just by looking at them.

[>:^|]

I think some of the exoticization of hapas has to do with the relative rarity of miscegenation and the fixation on "forbidden" relationships and intermarriage. Perhaps this will wane as intermarriage becomes more commonplace. On the part of Asians, I think there is some tendency to ascribe to European/White beauty ideals, and the hapa beauty myth is fed by an unspoken belief that White is beautiful.

Also, like SynRG said, I think we tend to pay more attention to the race of a person if it is something outside the norm. We attribute the beauty of a hapa to his or her "hapaness," whereas we typically don't racialize the beauty of other races.

But this thread is interesting in that it is making a lot of assumptions about what specific types of women are found beautiful. I've got a 5' Filipina friend who is the object of lust and desire of men everywhere. Perhaps many White and Asian men who live in America are socialized to find White beauty ideal but it is by no means true for everyone. I also think that exposure and access may define people's choices of partners as well.

I also feel that discussions of women's beauty tend to be somewhat misogynistic. Coagulated fat's response showed a recognition of this:

Eurasian beauty myth definally stem from asians thou. White guys have the option of picking a busty blond bombshell to a 5'0 90 pound asian girl, seriously which one would you pick?

You're mean. Ugh. I can't even imagine the yw backlash if I said the white guy equivalent of this.

Frankly, the first time a beautiful person opens the mouth and something stupid falls out, that kills it for me. Permanently.

[Cipherous]

Frankly, the first time a beautiful person opens the mouth and something stupid falls out, that kills it for me. Permanently.


damn, you're picky

[Shuriken]

I'm not exactly sure what this thread means by "myth." Just what is the "myth" of Eurasian beauty? That Eurasians are more attractive than either Caucasians or Asians? That, of course, is nonsense, since beauty (say it with me) is in the eye of the beholder.

What does bother me, though, is the idea that Eurasian looks are preferable to full-blooded Asian looks within Asian communities. In a Goldsea.com poll of "Great Asian Beauties" a few years ago, the name at the top of the survey was model Angela Harry, who is half-white and half-Korean. In a Hong Kong beauty poll not long ago, the winner was actress Michelle Reis (The East Is Red, Fallen Angels), a half-Portuguese, half-Chinese Macanese. I also remember an informal beuaty contest a few years back hosted by a movie theatre in Little Tokyo, and of all the Asian participants, the winner was the one who looked the most Caucasian. Does this suggest some devaluing of full-blooded Asian features within the Asian American community?

And there's my own consternation about the legions upon legions of Asian women here in L.A. who dye their perfectly beautiful black hair some ugly lighter shade. That's not to say that I haven't seen my share of attractive hapa women who are just as beautiful in their own way as full-blooded Asian women (as well as women of other races) are in theirs. But one should appreciate and work with what one has and not try to imitate someone who is completely different.

And what does it say that hapa actors like Keanu Reeves and Kristin Kreuk are now being cast in ostensibly full-blooded white roles?

So, I'm not really certain what is being meant by "myth" here. But if it's the idea that Eurasian features are inherently superior to full-blooded Asian features, yeah, I'd call that a myth.

[kimpossible]

The myth is that mix white with Asian and invariably get an attractive person each and every time. IMO, it's not looking whiter that is the 'attraction' but rather the contrast of occidental/oriental features. I'm sure there are those people that might think white-looking mixed bloods are more attractive, but for the most part they favor more attractive hapas measured by Asian beauty standards. Because of this, I don't think Asian looks are devalued. It's not like the averaged mixed Asian occupies a high spot on the ladder of social importance but more of an attention getting coolness factor in the entertainment industry. We're Westerners that aren't so removed from Asians as to be totally alien, and vice versa for full-blooded Westerners.

edit: adding in the previous thread about this subject The Ugly Truth (http://forums.yellowworld.org/showthread.php?t=1556)

[rice cracker]

Oh, my bad then :blush:


It's ok :)

[SunWuKong]

In a Hong Kong beauty poll not long ago, the winner was actress Michelle Reis (The East Is Red, Fallen Angels), a half-Portuguese, half-Chinese Macanese.

well, Michelle Reis was a Miss HK. Eurasian or not, she's just good looking. and i thought she was 1/4 Portuguese and 3/4 Chinese. anyway, she can pass for full-blooded Chinese and most HKers consider her more of a Chinese person with a foreign ancestor/parent than someone who is Eurasian - not only because she can physically pass for a full-blooded Chinese, but because culturally speaking she is just like a full-blooded Chinese, plus her Cantonese is fluent. i think in that sense, the Eurasian beauty myth doesn't apply to her as much.

but yeah, HKers love Eurasians and think they're beautiful, both male and female. a lot of models in HK are mixed.

[Shuriken]

"Sometimes in the mornings [Suzie] brought her baby to see me. It was a rather puny, pathetic little infant, with something quite heart-rending about its sallow Chinese-English face; and it looked not young but middle-aged, with an expression, in repose, of bewildered dispair. It was as if it knew that it was a half-caste and had nothing to look forward to except a lifetime of not-belonging."

—Richard Mason, The World of Suzie Wong (New York: World Publishing , 1957), pp. 71-72.

[golden_buns]

White girls are the reasons why male fobs came to america.

I'm not a FOB, but I didn't grow up in US.
When I was planning to move to Texas for college I was expecting to see all those gorgeous ppl I saw at MTV, Baywatch, 90210, etc, etc...but when I finally made it there, all I could think of was; "shit, I've never seen so many fat people in my life"

Media sure overbeautifies everything.
I've seen way more beautiful women on average in Colombia or Korea.

[kimpossible]

What does Suzie Wong have to do with Eurasian Beauty Myth? That's not exactly the greatest source of Asian Americana.

[John0101]

I'm not a FOB, but I didn't grow up in US.
When I was planning to move to Texas for college I was expecting to see all those gorgeous ppl I saw at MTV, Baywatch, 90210, etc, etc...but when I finally made it there, all I could think of was; "shit, I've never seen so many fat people in my life"

Media sure overbeautifies everything.
I've seen way more beautiful women on average in Colombia or Korea.

Texas? Bay Watch and 90210 all took place in cali bro.

Word, korean girls are hot, I first started having crushes on asian girls when I first saw koreans.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Texas? Bay Watch and 90210 all took place in cali bro.

Word, korean girls are hot, I first started having crushes on asian girls when I first saw koreans.

Haha you sure you aren't Gongjubyung reincarnated or whatever the hell that guy's name was who was obsessed with Korean girls.

jp

[Napoleon Chynamite]

I don't think you're at the top of their list either. I mean most White guys go for White women and that's basically a fact. The only White guys who go for Asian women are normally the geeky, anime-loving, low self-esteem, socially inept, anti-feminist men who'll find it a hell of a lot easier to date submissive Asian women than an assertive White woman. I mean let's face it: have you or I or anyone ever seen the *hottest* White guys going for Asian women, and no I'm not talking about the Maury Popovic types either.

You and John1010 come across like alter egos duking it out with each other. Keep at it 'cause it's pretty darn amusing.

[John0101]

Haha you sure you aren't Gongjubyung reincarnated or whatever the hell that guy's name was who was obsessed with Korean girls.

jp

Gongjubyung? I aint no fob and hi, my name is john. :ninja:

I love all girls, I don't discriminate :dance:

You and John1010 come across like alter egos duking it out with each other. Keep at it 'cause it's pretty darn amusing.

I got nothing against Morientes, he looks like a smart boy and dreamy :wub:

[coagulated fat]

I don't think you're at the top of their list either. I mean most White guys go for White women and that's basically a fact. The only White guys who go for Asian women are normally the geeky, anime-loving, low self-esteem, socially inept, anti-feminist men who'll find it a hell of a lot easier to date submissive Asian women than an assertive White woman. I mean let's face it: have you or I or anyone ever seen the *hottest* White guys going for Asian women, and no I'm not talking about the Maury Popovic types either.
My dad is hot

[Tao]

My dad is hot
eww....electra complex

[Shuriken]

"Sometimes in the mornings [Suzie] brought her baby to see me. It was a rather puny, pathetic little infant, with something quite heart-rending about its sallow Chinese-English face; and it looked not young but middle-aged, with an expression, in repose, of bewildered dispair. It was as if it knew that it was a half-caste and had nothing to look forward to except a lifetime of not-belonging."

—Richard Mason, The World of Suzie Wong (New York: World Publishing , 1957), pp. 71-72.

What does Suzie Wong have to do with Eurasian Beauty Myth? That's not exactly the greatest source of Asian Americana.

With all of this talk about how beautiful Eurasian features are automatically assumed to be — and how some feel stereotyped by this assumption — I felt the need to recall the Bad Old Days when Eurasian features were thought by some to be an aberration from the "natural" segregation of the races. In other words, the beauty of Eurasian features wasn't always presumed. Therefore, I submit that this presumptuous assumption of Eurasian beauty won't be around forever.

So, I agree that Suzie Wong is "not exactly the greatest source of Asian Americana." But it does throw some light on the imperialist mind-set that creates confining assumptions about other people. If the assumption of Eurasian ugliness (as expressed by the passage) can be overcome, so can other assumptions about Eurasian people.

By the way, I would like to think that, in a parallell universe, the baby grew up to be Keanu Reeves, came back to Hong Kong, and punched out the British narrator.

[SunWuKong]

With all of this talk about how beautiful Eurasian features are automatically assumed to be — and how some feel stereotyped by this assumption — I felt the need to recall the Bad Old Days when Eurasian features were thought by some to be an aberration from the "natural" segregation of the races. In other words, the beauty of Eurasian features wasn't always presumed. Therefore, I submit that this presumptuous assumption of Eurasian beauty won't be around forever.

So, I agree that Suzie Wong is "not exactly the greatest source of Asian Americana." But it does throw some light on the imperialist mind-set that creates confining assumptions about other people. If the assumption of Eurasian ugliness (as expressed by the passage) can be overcome, so can other assumptions about Eurasian people.

By the way, I would like to think that, in a parallell universe, the baby grew up to be Keanu Reeves, came back to Hong Kong, and punched out the British narrator.

the irony is that for the movie, they got a hapa to play Suzie Wong, who of course, is supposed to be very beautiful.

[John0101]

My dad is hot

is your mom hot? Hot people usually get together and development a mutual benefital physical "special friendship" regardless of race.

[steakandrice]

I don't think you're at the top of their list either. I mean most White guys go for White women and that's basically a fact. The only White guys who go for Asian women are normally the geeky, anime-loving, low self-esteem, socially inept, anti-feminist men who'll find it a hell of a lot easier to date submissive Asian women than an assertive White woman. I mean let's face it: have you or I or anyone ever seen the *hottest* White guys going for Asian women, and no I'm not talking about the Maury Popovic types either.


I know exactly what you're talking about...about all the sorry ass white guys dating asian girls........but there are exceptions to the rule.

I saw this very very attractive asian (americanized...of course) girl with this good looking white guy at this bar/club in Brea.

[coagulated fat]

My mom is hot

Dad's hotter though.

[SunWuKong]

My mom is hot

Dad's hotter though.

no wonder you're so hot.

[Chester]

I know exactly what you're talking about...about all the sorry ass white guys dating asian girls........but there are exceptions to the rule.
The exceptions are legion -- to the extent that the rule, surprise surprise, doesn't really exist.

And then there's the fact that the "rule" -- whethor or not it's valid -- is totally irrelevant in the same way that black people's ostensible affinity for watermelon is irrelevant.

[BeTheReds]

It's not a myth! Just look at me!

j/k

I don't really know where this myth stems from, but you have to admit that sometimes when the parents fetishize each other's races, that might contribute to the myth in some way.

[rice cracker]

It's not a myth! Just look at me!

j/k

I don't really know where this myth stems from, but you have to admit that sometimes when the parents fetishize each other's races, that might contribute to the myth in some way.


Call me, we should start breeding beautiful Eurasians ;) I'm keeding!

[BeTheReds]

Call me, we should start breeding beautiful Eurasians ;) I'm keeding!


I have a rice cracker fetish.

Where's Radford, I need to challenge him for your undying lust.

[Cipherous]

Call me, we should start breeding beautiful Eurasians ;) I'm keeding!

sweet! finally a porn with an all Eurasian cast.

[Proud_Jook_Sing]

Ever hear the joke (like from There's Something About Mary):

"Didn't you hear what I said, she's half-Asian. Of course she's beautiful. You could take Don Rickles and pair him with Yoko Ono and of course the kids come out beautiful!"

I have seen many many attractive white and black HAPAs. But when I see HAPA children with their parents thats when it really goes to the above joke. Tonight I was in McDonalds and two of the cutest HAPA kids (boy and girl) came in with pretty ugly parents.

I know its a myth but it sure seems that the offspring are leaps and bounds better looking than their parents.

[Shuriken]

the irony is that for the movie, they got a hapa to play Suzie Wong, who of course, is supposed to be very beautiful.

Excellent point, SWK. The irony abounds.


http://www.farberantiques.com/wong.jpg

Incidentally, the first actress to play Suzie the Floozy in the U.S. was also a hapa, France Nuyen, who originated the role on Broadway.

And here's another irony. The first actress to play Suzie Wong was Tsai Chin, who introduced the role on London's West Side.

The irony is that both Nuyen and Chin appeared in The Joy Luck Club, which bluntly pronounced The World of Suzie Wong to be a racist movie. But where would their careers be without her?

I'm not defending the character of Suzie Wong. I'm just pointing out how bound up APA actors are with these kinds of portrayals.

[kasia]

The Ugly Truth Behind the Eurasian Beauty Myth
by Carmen Van Kerckhove
August/September 2002


Beauty is one of the most pervasive stereotypes about Eurasian females. But at what point does a healthy admiration for Eurasian features turn into a loathing of one's own monoracial looks? Or into the sexual objectification of Eurasian women?

Growing up in Hong Kong, Fiona Hartley (not her real name) had to walk up a steep hill every morning. By the time this Eurasian teenager got to school, she would be sweaty and flushed, and her wiry brown hair would be a complete mess. She used to look in envy at the Chinese girls walking by in their freshly pressed uniforms and their glossy black hair. "They never seemed to sweat!" Hartley, now 24, laughs as she recalls those days. "No matter how hot or humid it was, they always looked serene and perfect-not even a hair out of place. I always wished I could look more like them."

But ironically, ever since she can remember, Hartley had heard her Chinese counterparts saying the same thing about her. As a child, she was surrounded by cooing relatives and friends who would admire her more Caucasian features. "They would comment on how fair my skin was," she remembers, "or say they wished the bridges of their noses were as high as mine."

The legacy of colonial shame carried by previous generations of Eurasians has long since disappeared from the public imagination. Today, the adjectives associated with Eurasians are more likely to be "exotic," "stunning," and above all, "beautiful."

Beauty has emerged as one of the most pervasive stereotypes about Eurasians. As early as 1921, British writer W. Somerset Maugham described Ethel, the half-caste protagonist of The Pool, as being "adorably pretty" and resembling "something not of this earth" but more like "the spirit of the pool." This fascination with Eurasian beauty and exoticism continues today. Even in the forums of EurasianNation you can read numerous breathless accounts from males worshiping "hapa booty."

"I grew up in Japan being told by virtually everyone (adult and children alike) that I was either beautiful or cute because I was 'ha-fu,'" says Abbie Yamamoto, 23, now a graduate student at Berkeley University.

Eurasian beauty is often attributed to the European influence, particularly among Asians. "It's because of the Caucasian features that they admire me so," explains Yamamoto. "They look at me and tell me the clichés over and over again about how big my eyes are and how 'high' my nose is."

Many Asians have even taken drastic measures to try to recreate these Caucasian features on their own faces. Blepharoplasty, the eyelid incision that creates the canthal fold, has become a veritable rite of passage for young females. Plastic surgeons say it is the most common procedure elected by Asian women in North America and Asia, followed by rhinoplasties (nose jobs) and breast augmentation. In the Philippines, a new plastic surgery technique has been invented to mimic the "high" Caucasian nose. According to Salon.com, surgeons insert a flexible plastic tube, called "the Cleopatra," up women's noses. The procedure can jack noses upwards anywhere from 3 to 13 millimeters.

Ironically, the Eurasian face, despite its obvious Caucasian ancestry, has become the face that sells Asia. TV commercials use Eurasian models to peddle everything from designer jewelry to sanitary pads. TIMEasia.com reports that in Indonesia, a magazine with a Eurasian on the cover will sell two or three times more copies than one featuring a purely local model. And on Channel V, the Asia-wide music television channel, almost every single VJ is Eurasian.

But at what point does a healthy admiration for Eurasian features turn into a loathing of one's own monoracial looks? Or into a full-blown fetish?

The emphasis on the differences, rather than the similarities, between Eurasian women and their Caucasian and Asian sisters, lends them an air of otherworldliness and exoticism. Taken to an extreme, this obsession with the exotic quality of Eurasian beauty can become dehumanizing.

"I think that Eurasian and mixed-race Asian women in general definitely receive negative attention for their looks, and that results in their objectification," says Michelle Myers. Half-Korean Myers, 30, of the spoken-word duo Yellow Rage, has found that many men who date Eurasian women like to keep their male friends guessing as to the exact ethnic make-up of their girlfriends. This guessing game not only makes the woman seem more exotic and desirable, it also serves to reinforce the trophyist mentality some men have towards women.

You'd think that with all this talk of beauty, Eurasian women would be supremely confident in their appearance. But that is not always the case.

Some women wish they looked more Asian. "How come my hair can't be as straight or as black as my Chinese mother's sisters?" asks Erica Schlaikjer, 16. "How did I inherit my dad's ugly, big feet? Why does my sister have smoother skin than I do?"

Other Eurasians have been told that they don't look European enough. Susan, 18, grew up in Malaysia thinking that she had an obviously mixed appearance. But when she moved to New Zealand, people looked at her as "just Asian." Even her Chinese relatives seemed to agree, lavishing her brother, who doesn't look Asian at all, with praise for his European looks.

But most Eurasian women—including Susan—have learned to accept and even celebrate their mixed heritage. Half-Japanese Mandy Willingham, 25, has been mistaken for a multitude of ethnicities, including Tahitian, Inuit, American Indian, East Indian, Spanish, Italian, Middle Eastern, Mexican, Thai, Malaysian, Indonesian and Filipina. She's had waiters address her in Spanish in Mexican restaurants and on one occasion, a pharmacist even tried to argue with her in Arabic. Her boyfriend attributes all of this to what he calls her "ethnic currency." Willingham explains: "He says my appearance allows me to be accepted almost anywhere in the world. While I'm not sure if this is completely true, I've grown to appreciate the value of having a multi-ethnic look."

Even being labeled as "exotic" isn't always a bad thing, as Schlaikjer explains: "I embrace my 'exoticism.' I'm only 16-just like any other girl my age, I'll take any excuse to feel beautiful! I don't think I ever find myself wanting to feel 'more white,' or 'more Asian.' I'd like to think I get the best of both worlds."

[SunWuKong]

The Ugly Truth Behind the Eurasian Beauty Myth
by Carmen Van Kerckhove
August/September 2002

i've read this article before, but don't remember from where.

[Faithless]

The Ugly Truth Behind the Eurasian Beauty Myth
by Carmen Van Kerckhove
August/September 2002
...
Many Asians have even taken drastic measures to try to recreate these Caucasian features on their own faces. Blepharoplasty, the eyelid incision that creates the canthal fold, has become a veritable rite of passage for young females. Plastic surgeons say it is the most common procedure elected by Asian women in North America and Asia, followed by rhinoplasties (nose jobs) and breast augmentation. In the Philippines, a new plastic surgery technique has been invented to mimic the "high" Caucasian nose. According to Salon.com, surgeons insert a flexible plastic tube, called "the Cleopatra," up women's noses. The procedure can jack noses upwards anywhere from 3 to 13 millimeters.
...


Come on, girls! You want to end-up looking like the
"tiger woman" (http://www.amiannoying.com/(yqotgqrgtyl3cdbn5me1da45)/view.aspx?ID=421) through too many plastic surgeries? :frown:

[BeTheReds]

i've read this article before, but don't remember from where.
Carmen is the sister of the founder of EurasianNation, so you probably read it there.

[SunWuKong]

this thread has been dusted and moved out of the archives.

[BeTheReds]

...twice..

[cloudzerox]

Many Asians have even taken drastic measures to try to recreate these Caucasian features on their own faces. Blepharoplasty, the eyelid incision that creates the canthal fold, has become a veritable rite of passage for young females. Plastic surgeons say it is the most common procedure elected by Asian women in North America and Asia, followed by rhinoplasties (nose jobs) and breast augmentation. In the Philippines, a new plastic surgery technique has been invented to mimic the "high" Caucasian nose. According to Salon.com, surgeons insert a flexible plastic tube, called "the Cleopatra," up women's noses. The procedure can jack noses upwards anywhere from 3 to 13 millimeters.


I almost cry when I read that.
I have big eyes but still look very asian, born with eyefold on one eye but grew into both eyes recent years.

Light colored eyes freak me out because it makes the pupils look small like evil cartoon characters. Darker eyes look closer to puppy eyes.

I saw this story on FOX News Chicago showing a korean girl getting eyefold surgery. When I saw her in a BEFORE video, all I can think about was sex and eskimo kisses. When I saw her in the AFTER video, she looks Chinese. She didn't look appealing at all. Maybe it is because I have eyefolds. This is probably not convincing but its my taste.

For caucasions, the eyebrow bone is lower and sticks out forward a lot more. In my opinion, it is not an attractive feature in females. It makes them look a lot more masculine. That cavemen look is better suited for a male.

Higher bridge noses look closer to a witch's nose. I recall characters from Wizard of Oz and the Penguin from Batman. I always thought people are happier with smaller noses.

It is easier to tell if hair is clean when it is dark. You can see dandruff in blonde hair unless you are close up. Black hair shows cleanliness and shine the best.

High and big breasts do not make sense. Big breasts should sag, and if they don't it would seem like it would be hard as a rock. Smaller breasts that are high makes more sense in that way. This probably also not convincing but it is my taste.

White females are more likely to have wider fingertips, where the fingertips look closer to being like the thumb. I'm probably the only person on earth to notice that.

Through my eyes, I do not see a single feature which caucasion women have an advantage over asian women. Don't forget the advantages in health of asians.

Eurasions would be somewhere in between.

I hope that wasn't too rough.

[rice cracker]

Well thank you for your awesome fucking breakdown of each and every feature you find attractive. I'm sure this is useful for...

Anyway, thanks.

[tripostrophe]

Well thank you for your awesome fucking breakdown of each and every feature you find attractive. I'm sure this is useful for...

Anyway, thanks.

^Lol.

Has everything already been discussed in this thread? Because yeah I find it annoying whenever people talk about how mixed people (of any descent) are hotter...

[tripostrophe]

I read through the thread partway and dude rice cracker should not have apologized to John.

But um yeah theory:

I can definitely see where the white beauty myth comes in from the Asian side, but from the white side maybe they're idealizing hapas as having all the "exotic" appeal of Asians, but without all the "negatives," i.e. culture and language -- this of course assumes that whites are assuming hapas all identify more strongly with their white side, or only marginally with their Asian side so if any culture is there, it's always seen as something more kitsch or exotic than defining. Well basically I think stunninglyAsian got it in the first paragraph of his post.

[sageb1]

Eurasian beauty myth definally stem from asians thou. White guys have the option of picking a busty blond bombshell to a 5'0 90 pound asian girl, seriously which one would you pick?

If she desires me, the asia girl.

[j&j2]

Esp. considering most Euroasian babies look cute.

Not really.

People just tend to focus on the attractive hapas - there are many, many "wierd" looking hapas out there.

[rice cracker]

Stay on topic. If there are any more nit picky "this race's features are unattractive" posts in this thread, I'm locking it down. I'm fucking tired and y'all are pissing me off.

[BeTheReds]

Ever hear the joke (like from There's Something About Mary):

"Didn't you hear what I said, she's half-Asian. Of course she's beautiful. You could take Don Rickles and pair him with Yoko Ono and of course the kids come out beautiful!"

I have seen many many attractive white and black HAPAs. But when I see HAPA children with their parents thats when it really goes to the above joke. Tonight I was in McDonalds and two of the cutest HAPA kids (boy and girl) came in with pretty ugly parents.

I know its a myth but it sure seems that the offspring are leaps and bounds better looking than their parents.


Couldn't that be because a lot of kids are naturally cute because they are kids?

[AngryABCGirl]

I have the impression in Asia the Eurasian beauty myth might be more pervasive in places that have had history of European colonialism just from observations in different places and what I've heard. I think I've only seen one Eurasian model in Taiwan, a woman, and she barely looked mixed. Maybe she wasn't at all and has indigenous blood so she looked different from the average billboard girl here (who look dolled up to be Japanese more than anything). I don't recall having seen any in China. In contrast there are mixed people all over billboards in Hong Kong. Mestizos are all the rage for advertisements in the Philippines, etc. In Thailand (only narrowly not colonized but all its Southeast Asian neighbors were) many of the stars are Eurasian. I've heard it's similar in Indonesia.

One of my friends from HK mentioned to me before when she came to the States for college was shocked when she learned being mixed was associated with so much negativity in the US in contrast to HK.

Another friend from HK who is Eurasian and went to one of the British schools, but considers herself more Chinese who came to the US for college felt very detached and even disturbed by the mixed race politics she was introduced to and pulled into unwillingly, although she eventually became involved in a the mixed race student union on campus because of it. She mentioned that she always felt a little out of place in it though because the politics of race she grew up with were completely different and she didn't have any similar experiences of oppression and family problems that her "peers" had. I think she just needed a place to rant to about the weird shit that she was experiencing.

In the context of America though and race politics, I think Eurasians do have a certain trend of appeal with different scopes of course to non-Asians and Asians. For non-Asians, a sign of assimilation maybe or the exotic orient but not so much? For Asians, maybe also sign of assimlation to a point of jealousy? It depends, it's a racial minefield out there in the US and looks and location decide what happens.

[Paradox]

I have the impression in Asia the Eurasian beauty myth might be more pervasive in places that have had history of European colonialism just from observations in different places and what I've heard. I think I've only seen one Eurasian model in Taiwan, a woman, and she barely looked mixed. Maybe she wasn't at all and has indigenous blood so she looked different from the average billboard girl here (who look dolled up to be Japanese more than anything).

In Japan and even more so for S. Korea it's definitely not a trendy thing to be mixed. Either you're white or asian. I remember Maggie Q (the actress) gave an interview where she said she tried to find work as a model in Japan but got soundly rejected because of her ambiguous looks. Japanese people like beautiful snow blonde white women or very traditionally beautiful asian women. Anything inbetween is a no-no. In Korea being mixed has lots of negative war connotations and social family disgrace issues so it's not exactly looked highly upon either.

I don't recall having seen any in China. In contrast there are mixed people all over billboards in Hong Kong. Mestizos are all the rage for advertisements in the Philippines, etc. In Thailand (only narrowly not colonized but all its Southeast Asian neighbors were) many of the stars are Eurasian. I've heard it's similar in Indonesia.

There is definitely a correlation with colonization and the popularity of hapa stars.

I can tell you that in Thailand it's trendy to have some luk-kreung (hapas) in acting or singing. Thailand claims it was never colonized but i'd have to disagree. It's rude to say it but parts of their society has been influenced a lot by the prostitution scene. Most luk-kreungs you see are usually offspring between western hubbies and thai women from the bar scene. The "hi society" hapas you see usually end up in entertainment. The normal hapas I met in Thailand are very much "Thai" in that the vast majority could speak Thai which is somewhat unique for hapas.

The Phillipines is pretty westernized and not in a good way. They act like they are still colonized. I flipped through my friend's filipino gossip rag once and it was full of white guys and white women with various famous filipinos who barely looked asian. It seems like they have some sort of national inferiority complex about their asian heritage. On the flipside I think hapas would fit in the best in this country because most people have some ancestral mix.

In the context of America though and race politics, I think Eurasians do have a certain trend of appeal with different scopes of course to non-Asians and Asians. For non-Asians, a sign of assimilation maybe or the exotic orient but not so much? For Asians, maybe also sign of assimlation to a point of jealousy? It depends, it's a racial minefield out there in the US and looks and location decide what happens.
The hapas i've known tended to have more asian friends than white friends. The hapa guys all dated asian girls and the hapa chicks were a mixed lot when it comes to dating. Some dated white some dated asian. My thai-american (non hapa) friend is currently dating a thai-caucasian american hapa girl. She's pretty normal though.

[BeTheReds]

I don't know how it is in China or HK, but in Korea, being mixed is DEFINATELY a bad thing. Certainly many mixed celebrities are popping up here and there, but that's never an accurate measure of acceptance by the community.

Japan by contrast sees it either as a good thing, or is indifferent.

I don't think anyone in the US sees it as a problem other than certain individuals or factions of the Asian-American communities (but certainly not all Asian-Americans) who dislike mixed people for various reasons, including

1. Reminding them of an unfair playing field of interracial dating.
2. As one is insecure about one's own Asian-ness, the way to prove it is to deny someone else theirs, and mixed people are an easy target.
3. Resentment over the (possibly false) belief that Eurasians recieve less discrimination from whites. (While oblivious to the fact that any gained acceptance is proportionate to descrimination recieved by Asians...)
4. Hosts of other reasons... I can't claim to know them all.

Anyway, the point of this thread is, simply because lots of Eurasian celebrities are hot, does not mean that Eurasians by default are hot.

[Paradox]

Japan by contrast sees it either as a good thing, or is indifferent.

I don't think Japan is indifferent. If you're a hapa you're just another gaijin. Which means a mixed race japanese person has no chance of ever being acknowledged as even remotely Japanese. They are shut out from the get go. Maggie Q is gorgeous but even she got the high hat from the model business there. They don't like that sort of ambiguity. I can't think of any prominent half white/half japanese actors who are popular in japan.

[PiMPADOCiOUS]

I don't think Japan is indifferent. If you're a hapa you're just another gaijin. Which means a mixed race japanese person has no chance of ever being acknowledged as even remotely Japanese.

It depends on what they look like. Some halfies actually look Asian, and they can pass for full Asian. I know a half-white half-Japanese American who passes as full Japanese when he goes to Japan. But if they hear him speaking Japanese for a while or hear what his last name sounds like, then they think he's a gaijin.

[BeTheReds]

I don't think Japan is indifferent. If you're a hapa you're just another gaijin. Which means a mixed race japanese person has no chance of ever being acknowledged as even remotely Japanese. They are shut out from the get go. Maggie Q is gorgeous but even she got the high hat from the model business there. They don't like that sort of ambiguity. I can't think of any prominent half white/half japanese actors who are popular in japan.

Well, I can't think of prominent mixed JApanese in showbuisness, but there is that news anchor Crystal Takegawa, some other news anchor on a different channel, Soccer Player Robert Galen (member of the National Team I might add), several members of those teeny bopper jpop bands, several actors and actresses whose names escape me, and several musicians. But those are just celebrities... That's hardly a gauge for the general level of acceptance among the public. Maybe your experience is different than mine, but I never saw it as a social barrier when I lived there. I was accepted as Japanese by a lot of people, and I'm not even Japanese. I am sorry but I have to disagree with you on this based on personal experience.

[BeTheReds]

It depends on what they look like. Some halfies actually look Asian, and they can pass for full Asian. I know a half-white half-Japanese American who passes as full Japanese when he goes to Japan. But if they hear him speaking Japanese for a while or hear what his last name sounds like, then they think he's a gaijin.

I think the language ability is the biggest factor, even more than looks. Tho looks certainly do help in cases where people just see you and judge you without talking to you.

[SunWuKong]

I have the impression in Asia the Eurasian beauty myth might be more pervasive in places that have had history of European colonialism just from observations in different places and what I've heard. I think I've only seen one Eurasian model in Taiwan, a woman, and she barely looked mixed. Maybe she wasn't at all and has indigenous blood so she looked different from the average billboard girl here (who look dolled up to be Japanese more than anything). I don't recall having seen any in China. In contrast there are mixed people all over billboards in Hong Kong. Mestizos are all the rage for advertisements in the Philippines, etc. In Thailand (only narrowly not colonized but all its Southeast Asian neighbors were) many of the stars are Eurasian. I've heard it's similar in Indonesia.

i get the sense that for the most part, mixed people are basically exoticised in HK, both the men and the women. and that in the end, it kind of depends on how "Chinese" they look and how integrated to HK society they are, as far as how much they are accepted into the local culture. compare Anthony Wong (黃秋生) and Michael Wong (王敏德) for example. it's hardly ever mentioned that Anthony Wong is mixed, and the guy is fluent in Cantonese and is very local mentality as far as i know. don't know how his personal friends receive him, but he's basically accepted like any other local in entertainment media. i mean he's even performed with LMF before, and those guys talk shit about parents sending their kids overseas and coming back all westerised. on the other hand, Michael Wong basically gets typecasted as the Westerner or the Westernised guy for his bad Cantonese, which, i don't understand why his Cantonese is still bad after having been in HK entertainment for more than 20 years.

[AngryABCGirl]

i get the sense that for the most part, mixed people are basically exoticised in HK, both the men and the women. and that in the end, it kind of depends on how "Chinese" they look and how integrated to HK society they are, as far as how much they are accepted into the local culture. compare Anthony Wong (黃秋生) and Michael Wong (王敏德) for example. it's hardly ever mentioned that Anthony Wong is mixed, and the guy is fluent in Cantonese and is very local mentality as far as i know. don't know how his personal friends receive him, but he's basically accepted like any other local in entertainment media. i mean he's even performed with LMF before, and those guys talk shit about parents sending their kids overseas and coming back all westerised. on the other hand, Michael Wong basically gets typecasted as the Westerner or the Westernised guy for his bad Cantonese, which, i don't understand why his Cantonese is still bad after having been in HK entertainment for more than 20 years.

The funny thing is Michael Wong looks a lot more Chinese, you might not even thing he's mixed, than Anthony Wong- who looks obviously mixed. I think Anthony Wong's background plays a lot in this- his father abandoned his mother when he was just a child so he walks the local walk so to speak, he's not an import by any means. Michael Wong on the other hand is just an older Edison Chen or Daniel Wu, and people can't really get rid of their accents or how they carry themselves after a certain age. It's interesting how guys like them or Carl Ng or women like Maggie Q, who isn't Chinese at all, can get roles playing Chinese people though, I don't think that happens anywhere else in the Chinese media world. There's only one prominent star that is hapa that I can think of Taiwan who is a singer in a group and you can't really tell she's mixed and speaks fluent Chinese: (http://yhcl.sos3.com/uploadfile/2006-6/20066615102450061.jpg), and nobody really realizes it until it's mentioned. She looks like any other pop idol star here.

Mixed people in Taiwan, unless they look really Asian, always get treated like foreigners, despite the fact they look like they have obvious Asian heritage to my eyes anyway. It's just not something people are familiar with. I have the impression there's mixed kids in Hong Kong who wander around speaking Cantonese and don't get gaping looks of shock and surprise from what I've seen. But people here pathetically don't know how to deal with foreigners and are xenophobic- but that's a story for another day.

[SunWuKong]

Michael Wong on the other hand is just an older Edison Chen or Daniel Wu, and people can't really get rid of their accents or how they carry themselves after a certain age.

yes, that may be true for us who don't aren't in the entertainment industry, but i'm pretty sure they are well rich enough to hire people to train them to speak without an accent, especially when their careers are affected by it. you'd think they'd get tired of playing that westernised character so much. actually i don't know of Edison's career is really affected by his accent. he's mainly a singer, isn't he? but i see that Daniel and Michael get those Westerner-type roles a lot.

It's interesting how guys like them or Carl Ng or women like Maggie Q, who isn't Chinese at all, can get roles playing Chinese people though, I don't think that happens anywhere else in the Chinese media world.

well i don't know that Maggie's roles had specifically indicated that the characters are Chinese - to my recollection, her characters have just kind of been there without any clue as to her ancestry. but i'm pretty sure Anthony Wong has had plenty of roles where the characters are specifically Chinese.

i've seen some mixed people in TVB series and shows too, but i don't recall any of them ever reaching an upper echelon of TVB stardom. there's always one role that comes to my mind, which is that Michelle Saram was cast as a Chinese princess in a series that was set in ancient China. she's Indian/Chinese. depending on from what angles you look at her and how the lighting is, sometimes she looks more Chinese and other times she looks more Indian, at least in my opinion. of course it helps she's light-skinned. but for sure, she doesn't really pass as full-blooded Chinese. now somebody correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't think there was really much attention given either by the fans or by the media in HK that she doesn't really pass as full-blooded Chinese. although some people have probably commented on it privately with their friends. HK is not exactly a very race-conscious or race-sensitive city though so maybe people in HK just don't really care as long as she's at least somewhat believable. but maybe the Overseas Chinese in a place like Singapore or Malaysia were raising some collective eyebrows at the casting. i don't know.

I have the impression there's mixed kids in Hong Kong who wander around speaking Cantonese and don't get gaping looks of shock and surprise from what I've seen.

i don't know. but even if people are surprised, they'd probably just try to be polite instead of reacting to it, unless they're some old people who don't give a shit. i know that most HKers are used to Indian people speaking fluent Cantonese, so maybe you're right about their reaction to mixed people, too. i've never asked people in HK what they think of mixed people.

[AngryABCGirl]

yes, that may be true for us who don't aren't in the entertainment industry, but i'm pretty sure they are well rich enough to hire people to train them to speak without an accent, especially when their careers are affected by it. you'd think they'd get tired of playing that westernised character so much. actually i don't know of Edison's career is really affected by his accent. he's mainly a singer, isn't he? but i see that Daniel and Michael get those Westerner-type roles a lot.

HK is not exactly a very race-conscious or race-sensitive city though so maybe people in HK just don't really care as long as she's at least somewhat believable. but maybe the Overseas Chinese in a place like Singapore or Malaysia were raising some collective eyebrows at the casting. i don't know.


Kay I cut out the middle cause that would be really long.

I think HK-ers may also just not as fazed by anything foreign because of its long-standing international nature, colonial history, and interaction with foreigners compared to other parts of Asia and are use to seeing non-Chinese-looking people speak Cantonese fluently, and probably why they're more "accepting" of Eurasians.

I've seen the most appalling behavior by Taiwanese people toward foreigners because of a lot of xenophobic tendancies- Asians and non-Asians to see why a lot of expats (even Overseas Chinese) don't want to work here. Maggie Q actually came to Taiwan to try to model after being rejected in Japan, but got rejected again because of her ethnic ambiguity and was introduced to a Hong Kong agent here- and the rest is history. I don't see any hope for mixed people who here don't look mostly Asian making it in the Taiwan industry.

detraction from thread:

There are many stars in Taiwan that bank on their Western-ness. Some of them act like a bunch of chiggers, but that's their only wow factor. Edison definitely does this in his career. Daniel Wu has definitely banked on his Western-ness, but I respect the guy as an actor and artist( especially in the Heavenly Kings) and I have the impression his Cantonese has improved over the years- but he's pretty much gotten type-casted since his first roles. I don't think it's preventable, I think there's hope for him yet though. Michael Wong is just a B-list "star" and a bad actor.

But I have to say I don't have a lot of respect for people who don't make an effort to get to know the culture they're in. I know I sound like an idiot trying to speak Taiwanese, but I think the old lady I buy my produce from appreciates I'm trying. There are a lot of people in the Chinese entertainment industry from the West who just take the songs handed to them and can get famous and are satisfied with that or powerless to demand more. Wang Leehom and Vanness Hu both speak excellent Mandarin, despite a heavy accent on Leehom's part because he didn't start learning Chinese until he was 18 or something. But Leehom gets a lot more respect than any other Overseas Chinese star because of him writing and producing his own music in Chinese and efforts to emphasize his Taiwanese heritage perhaps at the cost of his American one. His accent is still extremely heavy though despite his Chinese being superior, I don't think he can help it.

Edison is a "rapper" and owns a clothing/media company called CLOT and use to play pretty boy roles in movies, I've actually gone to an event and been to the store in Hong Kong. I use the term "rapper" very loosely because it sounds okay, but only okay, on a CD after lots of rehearsing but sounds horrible live. He would be ripped up by his fellow North American Asian rappers. He recently released a Mandarin album I hear being played everywhere and it's like a horrible mix between a North American accent and Cantonese- despite that the production value is actually really good is I really don't like listening. Every time he mispronounces something horrifically I want to scream out the right way to say it, but I kind of a blame a market that eats this stuff up.

Another thing to note though, I think this is the guy who may be the break-out star for Asian American men in Hollywood, not just because of how sexy and good-looking he is, but because of his international business sense and ability to coozy up to American music producers, like Clinton Sparks, Just Blaze, and Kanye West in exploiting the Chinese market. Now he will appear on a Wu-tang track- and I can't think of a more undeserving rapper, but he's envied for his coolness by a lot of Chinese guys in Asia and loved for his extremely good looks by girls.

Kay I have completely revealed how much of a fangirl I am, gonna stop now.

[Paradox]

Wang Leehom and Vanness Hu both speak excellent Mandarin, despite a heavy accent on Leehom's part because he didn't start learning Chinese until he was 18 or something. But Leehom gets a lot more respect than any other Overseas Chinese star because of him writing and producing his own music in Chinese and efforts to emphasize his Taiwanese heritage perhaps at the cost of his American one. His accent is still extremely heavy though despite his Chinese being superior, I don't think he can help it.
Heh, I didn't know Wang Lee Hom was asian-american. Man.. Thai girls love the hell out of Wang Lee Hom, Jay Chou, and Rain. I swear they are like the asian male pop trifecta here. Back when Thailand still had MTV asia I would see Wan Lee Hom's videos on daily rotation. Yeah, that one where he's laying around in the grass..

[SunWuKong]

I can tell you that in Thailand it's trendy to have some luk-kreung (hapas) in acting or singing. Thailand claims it was never colonized but i'd have to disagree. It's rude to say it but parts of their society has been influenced a lot by the prostitution scene. Most luk-kreungs you see are usually offspring between western hubbies and thai women from the bar scene. The "hi society" hapas you see usually end up in entertainment. The normal hapas I met in Thailand are very much "Thai" in that the vast majority could speak Thai which is somewhat unique for hapas.

yeah it's interesting Thailand has a fascination with Eurasians without having been colonised by any western powers. i guess it's probably because so many white people vacation there and they spend what is perceived to be a lot of money by the locals. i also get the sense that Thai culture is probably one of the most friendly and open cultures i've had the chance to experience. could that also have something to do with it? and personally i feel that the acceptance of Eurasians in HK media really has more to do with exoticisation than real social acceptance. do you think the Thai media is the same way?

actually when i think about it, Eurasians are really a lot more prevalent in HK's modelling industry as opposed to other areas of popular media where they actually have to speak. so you can see why i think there's a bit of exoticisation going on there. HKers like the pretty-looking Eurasians, but they aren't going to be hosting or starring in any TV shows unless they can speak good Cantonese. and of the ones that have managed to star in movies, they often get casted into pretty boy or pretty girl roles.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

^ Michael Wong baby.

[bmwhype]

i talked to a female friend of mine the other day. she uses whitening face cream....

i was appalled, but then again, everyone mistakes her for a flip

[Sunflare]

To quote from an article (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...culture16.html) printed a couple of years ago. . . . .


From article:
"Hapas" find a voice in emerging culture
By Teresa Watanabe
LAWRENCE K. HO / LOS ANGELES TIMES
Copyright © 2006 The Seattle Times Company

"One international newsmagazine proclaimed Eurasians as "the poster children for 21st-century globalization" a few years ago, touting their ability to bridge cultures in marketing, advertising and entertainment. And, turning racist ideas of "hybrid degeneracy" on their head, Psychology Today magazine earlier this year featured studies finding that Eurasians were regarded as more attractive than whites or Asians and healthier because of their genetic diversity, associated with a lower incidence of some diseases."


I happen to agree with that arguement. Hapas are no more beautiful in form or genetically superior then other human beings in general. Thats a lie.

Yeah some Eurasians (girls, I'm heterosexual) are very attractive but I also met some Eurasians that are fugly.

I also, like everyone else on this forum, noticed the explosion of Hapa models and actors used in marketing ads and involved in entertainment world.

The media are trying to make Hapas seem like the're all superhuman in falsified beauty and genetic superiority when they are not nowhere more as superior then everyone else.

That's like journalist Jon Entine's falsified claim theat Blacks are physically superior in sports, or other scientists or professors such as Richard Lynn who claims that Blacks are genetically less intelligent and more psychopath than the other races based on IQ test data over the years that is redundant and pure nonesense in my opinion. All lies.

That has been my observations on it.

[thaite]

I'm dead sexy.

[VV o n g B a]

That's like journalist Jon Entine's falsified claim theat Blacks are physically superior in sports, or other scientists or professors such as Richard Lynn who claims that Blacks are genetically less intelligent and more psychopath than the other races based on IQ test data over the years that is redundant and pure nonesense in my opinion. All lies.how have they been falsified?

[Sunflare]

how have they been falsified?

Maybe I should have never used the word falsified. It's probably confusing things. My fault.

Let me reiterate what I am trying to say: I'm stressing the fact that stereotypes exist that blacks are more physically fit in some ways and do better in sports but dumber that other races of people basically.

These things are myths.

The everyday black man or woman are not fit like superstar olympic athletes. Many of them are only just as fit in physique as the typical Asian or white person. I did'nt mean that in a negative way.

On the intelligence tip, I know some Nigerians in my school who are fucking brilliant!! Better than any of the other students in my college. Contrary to the myth that all Blacks are below other races of people in intelligence and performance in academics.

I used these examples to show a parallel, well similarity rather, to the myths surrounding Hapas and the sources of the stereotypes like these dumbfuck sociologists, psychologists, and scientists with their stupid studies on genetics and other fields of science who dont have a clue.

And the media feeding into the hype spreading these myths like I mentioned before.

I hope that clarifies things.

[VV o n g B a]

The everyday black man or woman are not fit like superstar olympic athletes. Many of them are only just as fit in physique as the typical Asian or white person. I did'nt mean that in a negative way.i understand that not all blacks are superstar athletes. the question is really what is the distribution. do all human populations have the same athleticism distribution or are some populations shifted above the norm in that distribution? as stereotypical as it sounds, it does appear that some populations, ie. west africans, are shifted higher in athleticism when compared to other populations.

On the intelligence tip, I know some Nigerians in my school who are fucking brilliant!! Better than any of the other students in my college. Contrary to the myth that all Blacks are below other races of people in intelligence and performance in academics.w/ regard to iq, it correlates w/ a lot of decent life outcomes regardless of the issues its critics have with it. it also doesn't change by much after the ages of 12-15 or so. if iq is 100% culturally determined, no one knows what the culture formula is. a lot of ppl have tried to find it and no one has succeeded in the long term.

[Sunflare]

i understand that not all blacks are superstar athletes. the question is really what is the distribution. do all human populations have the same athleticism distribution or are some populations shifted above the norm in that distribution? as stereotypical as it sounds, it does appear that some populations, ie. west africans, are shifted higher in athleticism when compared to other populations.

Exactly, even though I see your context in which of your comment is expressed.

It appears (but may not be necessarily fact that west africans for example may have a genetic bent to physique. But statistics are not always accurate.

If it is really true though, then it would'nt bother me anyway. The point has to with people's valid suspicions in how various institutions in science are spreading claims about Africans, Caucasians, Asians . . . .and Eurasians for that matter, over their superiority over other races.

The madman Adolf Hitler adopted the same mentality about Germanic persons of "Aryan" descent , and a evil, wicked holocaust was carried out over the lie as a result. You know the drastic and horrific results of that - millions upon millions of lives died in the gas chambers and incinerators as a result in the concentration camps.

Over ridiculous stereotypes on racial superiority as far as genetics are concerned.

w/ regard to iq, it correlates w/ a lot of decent life outcomes regardless of the issues its critics have with it. it also doesn't change by much after the ages of 12-15 or so. if iq is 100% culturally determined, no one knows what the culture formula is. a lot of ppl have tried to find it and no one has succeeded in the long term.

That I agree with only in the sense that a person's personal circumstances, or an ethnic group's set of circumstances overall, may be what may seem to be the factor behind how persons of different races perform academically.

the IQ test in itself anyway has been critisized as an inaccurate way to test people on level of intelligence. Many cultural factors are involved. Like a person of a particular culture's perception and their thought patterns for example.

The IQ test does not compensate for that. So many of the stats on intelligence and race may be inaccurate or false altogether and cannot be relied on if persons want to make claims that one race is superior to another in intelligence

[Sunflare]

I noticed that the link to the article in the Seattle Times in one of my posts went dead. You can find the entire article in an OP in the 'Hello Hapas' section here (http://forums.yellowworld.org/showthread.php?t=34445).

[J Honcanese]

HKers like the pretty-looking Eurasians, but they aren't going to be hosting or starring in any TV shows unless they can speak good Cantonese. and of the ones that have managed to star in movies, they often get casted into pretty boy or pretty girl roles.Absolutely. The hapas who actually do get the good acting roles are always the ones who can speak fluent Cantonese - like Anthony Wong and Karen Mok. And personally I think it helps a bit if they look more Asian than European. I'm sure it's been brought up before but Karen Mok's actual name is Karen Joy Morris - for her acting and singing careers she's had to adopt a more 'local' surname to cater to the HK masses. Similarly, Pan-Asian pop singer Janice Vidal (1/2 Filipino, 1/4 Korean, 1/4 Chinese) has gone by the Chinese name "Wei Lan" to fit into the local entertainment scene.

In HK the Eurasian beauty myth is as strong as ever. Every time I've gone back I've noticed increasing numbers of hapas on bilboards and TV commercials, especially the ones selling the newest cameras and phones. I was in the electronics section of a local department store once and all the posters were of hapas in swimming trunks and the like. Exoticisation? Oh, most definitely.

[BeTheReds]

take discussion of celebrities to arts and entertainment please..

[Sunflare]

Everyday persons who are mixed in general can be attractive, not just Hapas. Gimmie a break. Get over it. I mean everybody here talking about overrated Hapa celebrities in general in the wrong forum. I'm even getting sick of it now.

Now I can see what BeTheReds concerns are with some of the irrevelent posts in the Hello Hapas forum.

take discussion of celebrities to arts and entertainment please..

There are plenty of lively discussions about hapa celebrity worship in arts and entertainment. Maybe you should listen to him. Click here for the latest discussion (http://forums.yellowworld.org/showthread.php?t=34683&page=2).

[SunWuKong]

take discussion of celebrities to arts and entertainment please..

alright, some posts have been moved to that other thread in A&E.

http://forums.yellowworld.org/showthread.php?t=34683

[mndeg]

I think it has something to do with an asian inferiority complex and general white worshiping. Anyone that's lived in cali has probably seen a ton of mixed people, they definitely are not better looking and in general it could be said they are worse looking. Unattractive parents generally create unattractive children. And you throw in strange facial feature combinations that don't mesh well.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

I think it has something to do with an asian inferiority complex and general white worshiping. Anyone that's lived in cali has probably seen a ton of mixed people, they definitely are not better looking and in general it could be said they are worse looking. Unattractive parents generally create unattractive children. And you throw in strange facial feature combinations that don't mesh well.

Kill whitey bandwagon once again. This whole Asian inferiority complex argument might work if not for the many other non-Asian (read: white, Hispanic/Latino/a, African-American, etc.) people who also think mixed people tend to be more physically attractive.

Anyway it all comes down to subjectivity and unique combinations people find to be exotic. Regardless of what plastic surgeons would have you think there is no overall unconscious global standard of beauty. You can prove this merely by pointing out to just one individual's everchanging tastes throughout his/her lifetime, unless you're talking about extreme features like drastic assymetry, deformity, or horrible skin

[Sunflare]

I think it has something to do with an asian inferiority complex and general white worshiping. Anyone that's lived in cali has probably seen a ton of mixed people, they definitely are not better looking and in general it could be said they are worse looking. Unattractive parents generally create unattractive children. And you throw in strange facial feature combinations that don't mesh well.Kill whitey bandwagon once again. This whole Asian inferiority complex argument might work if not for the many other non-Asian (read: white, Hispanic/Latino/a, African-American, etc.) people who also think mixed people tend to be more physically attractive.

Many non-whites also suffer from a racial inferiority complex. Not just Asians.

As there are myths concerning Eurasian beauty in the West and in Asia, there are similar problems concerning other non whites as well. There was and probably still is a 'Mullatto beauty myth' that is prevalent in American society today even as it would seem that American society progressed from that false way of thinking from decades ago.

Many Afro-American women who had certain Caucasian features were the standard of beauty for all Afro American women to follow and adhere to. I heard many men make derogatory comments saying that 'it's better to have a black woman with a brown paper bag complexion if not whiter.'

Why does all these black women still waste hundreds of dollars each year on hair straightening products and skin bleaching creams, etc. when there is absolutely nothing wrong with kinky hair or dark skin? They are trying to adhere to the rules and standards concerning that Mulatto beauty myth. They feel that unless they cant get their hair straight or bleach their skin on their faces to the color the brown paper bag or lighter then they are considered unattractive, when that is NOT so. . . .

I don't watch Latino television alot or read publications written in Spanish, but I noticed that many of the models or actors or actresses who make appearances on TV or in movies, etc, in the entertainment industry in Latin America are usually lighter skinned, usually with certain subtle Caucasian features.

You would think that Latinos would not have this problem with finding unique combinations in mixed people physically attractive and therefore not be affected by some sort of Eurocentric related beauty myth since almost all Latinos are mixed to begin with, but unfortunately, it's all the same concerning the international admiration of mixed Europeans looked after as the standard of perfection and beauty even in Latin America.

So yes, there is a definite Eurocentric standard for beauty, thanks to the overall influence of western culture and globalism as well.

Many people are even unconsciously unaware that they are affected by it.

The media has been exposing people to this almost unspoken Eurocentric standard of beauty everywhere on TV, on ads in magazines , on billboards, etc. for decades now and eventually people absorbed this ideal into their minds and therefore became psychologically molded, or rather whitewashed by it. Should I even dare say that evil word?

It's influence has been very apparent because in other societies they have the same misconceptions concerning beauty. Not just in the western world or Asia but in other parts of the globe as well. It's an international phenomonon.

I can understand clearly why many of these so called "extreme", "left wing", "radical" APA "kill whitey" activists comment they way they do on sensitive issues like this. BeThe Reds gave a pretty good breakdown on why they feel the way they do in a comment posted earlier in this thread:

I don't think anyone in the US sees it as a problem other than certain individuals or factions of the Asian-American communities (but certainly not all Asian-Americans) who dislike mixed people for various reasons, including

1. Reminding them of an unfair playing field of interracial dating.
2. As one is insecure about one's own Asian-ness, the way to prove it is to deny someone else theirs, and mixed people are an easy target.
3. Resentment over the (possibly false) belief that Eurasians recieve less discrimination from whites. (While oblivious to the fact that any gained acceptance is proportionate to descrimination recieved by Asians...)
4. Hosts of other reasons... I can't claim to know them all.

[Sunflare]

mixed people, they definitely are not better looking and in general it could be said they are worse looking. Unattractive parents generally create unattractive children. And you throw in strange facial feature combinations that don't mesh well.

To add: I can see why NC went off on a tangent at reading this. Not that we ever agree on anything ourselves but I was a bit unnerved too by this comment.

I'm assuming that you are refering not just to persons who are Eurasian but Afro-Asian too as you made your statement.

Persons who are of mixed Asian descent are no more attractive or unattractive then everyone else. Beauty is only skin deep.

And what do you mean 'strange' facial feature combinations? I can symphasize with your concerns as an APA with the IR dating disparity issues, racial discrimination, etc. Believe me.

But to call mixed Asians in general as persons with 'strange features' can be a bit abrasive to other Eurasians or Afro-Asians who also post on YW.

We never asked to be born mixed Asians in the first place, subject to these kind of social pressures and hopelessly complex racial identity issues. Yet here we are and are trying the best we can to be happy and live.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

To add: I can see why NC went off on a tangent at reading this. Not that we ever agree on anything ourselves but I was a bit unnerved too by this comment.

I'm assuming that you are refering not just to persons who are Eurasian but Afro-Asian too as you made your statement.

Persons who are of mixed Asian descent are no more attractive or unattractive then everyone else. Beauty is only skin deep.

And what do you mean 'strange' facial feature combinations? I can symphasize with your concerns as an APA with the IR dating disparity issues, racial discrimination, etc. Believe me.

But to call mixed Asians in general as persons with 'strange features' can be a bit abrasive to other Eurasians or Afro-Asians who also post on YW.

We never asked to be born mixed Asians in the first place, subject to these kind of social pressures and hopelessly complex racial identity issues. Yet here we are and are trying the best we can to be happy and live.

There's definitely a socio-racial component when it comes to minorities admiring half-white babies (inferiority complexes, what have you), but my point was the exotification of mixed people isn't even limited to non-whites; plenty of whites have expressed their desire to have mixed babies or have remarked at how attractive mixed people are most probably because the phenotypes of these individuals are rarer and thus more likely to be regarded unconsciously by the human eye as unique or exotic. Again, beauty is pretty much purely subjective but sometimes the explanation is a lot simpler without having to go into issues like race.

[VV o n g B a]

Again, beauty is pretty much purely subjective but sometimes the explanation is a lot simpler without having to go into issues like race.there's certainly a subjective component to human beauty, but there's also an objective component. we're wired to think certain features are attractive and others not. across societies, youth and health are considered attractive. across societies, certain body shapes are considered attractive. the same goes for many facial features such as symmetry.

there may or may not be a racial component in this. i don't think we can simply rule it out.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

there's certainly a subjective component to human beauty, but there's also an objective component. we're wired to think certain features are attractive and others not. across societies, youth and health are considered attractive. across societies, certain body shapes are considered attractive. the same goes for many facial features such as symmetry.

there may or may not be a racial component in this. i don't think we can simply rule it out.

Symmetry doesn't really relate directly to beauty in individual facial features though. Anyway, my point was that of course there are racial factors to explain beauty standards in every/any society, but sometimes we're too quick to just point to race when in reality in some cases it might not have to do with anything besides what simply pleases the eye. If it was all just about worshipping white features in a society that upholds white features as the standard, then white people wouldn't find mixed people attractive either (in comparison to people who are fully white), and there also wouldn't be non-white people who feel that mixed people (just half-white or not white at all) are more attractive than white people.

And aside from certain factors like asymmetry, youth, and health which basically just prove that people are attracted to things like good skin and healthy teeth instead of bad wrinkly pock-marked skin and crooked teeth (a no-brainer to me), I seriously don't believe there is any such thing as universal standards of beauty that cross cultural barriers, like that one thing about the golden proportions or whatever. Even the asymmetry angle is debatable, as some societies may perceive asymmetry as a reflection of the person's unique beauty. Body shape standards change from society to society, era to era, and as for me personally my own preferences have changed drastically from women of different races, ethnicities, body types, age group (e.g. women with an older look/demeanor, women with a younger look/demeanor), within a span of ten years.

[Sunflare]

Anyway, my point was that of course there are racial factors to explain beauty standards in every/any society, but sometimes we're too quick to just point to race when in reality in some cases it might not have to do with anything besides what simply pleases the eye.

It's a combination of both. Yes, true, humans are just naturally inclined somehow to find mixed people very attractive and it makes sense to me. Definitely.

But it obviously becomes a race issue as well when you have scientists making bogus claims like this:

And, turning racist ideas of "hybrid degeneracy" on their head, Psychology Today magazine earlier this year featured studies finding that Eurasians were regarded as more attractive than whites or Asians and healthier because of their genetic diversity, associated with a lower incidence of some diseases

link: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...culture16.html

So what are these researchers and scientists claiming? That Eurasians are physically more attractive because they are genetically superior to non mixed Asians or persons of other ethnicities?

Many evolutionists also tried to make that claim concerning blacks with a lower IQ and try tie that to genetics when there is more circumstancial factors involved to explain the statistics white supremacists love to cite as proof that blacks are inferior. When it is complete fucking bullshit.

Isn't myths and lies such as this an obvious example of false ideology concerning racial superiority? Does'nt that show that people are trying to distort facts to support their racist theories? Funny, isn't that what Hitler also did, claiming that Ayans are the perfect standard of physical beauty and genetic superiority ?

See my point? We can't throw out racism as an factor then in todays misconcieved ideas on beauty then can we?

So therefore, yes, racism is a solid factor in this supposed Eurasian beauty myth. Not completely as you have mentioned, and I agree, but there is more evidence to show that there is more to this myth then meets the eye.

If it was all just about worshipping white features in a society that upholds white features as the standard, then white people wouldn't find mixed people attractive either (in comparison to people who are fully white), and there also wouldn't be non-white people who feel that mixed people (just half-white or not white at all) are more attractive than white people.

There are many people out there who purposely seek out persons who are Caucasians seeing them as economically superior and socially dominant in today's world society. Perhaps if they see a person with blue eyes and blond hair, they psychologically associate that with the idea that whites are superior to persons of other races, such as Asians.

The IR dating disparity issue among Asians is clear example of that. Many persons marry or date white to assimulate into western society and to move up the economic ladder. Also fetishes and stereotypes come into play.

Whites on the other hand sees persons of color or persons who are mixed as persons with a racial inferority complex that they can dominate. Fetishes and stereotypes come into play here as well.

Obvious example: White men prefer Asian women over white women, not just because they are physically more attractive in itself but also because they see Asian women as more submissive and eager to please in contrast to white women who they feel are more intimidating, dominerring or independant.

Same goes with many white men and Eurasian women.

So no, it's not just about plain cut and dry raw physical attraction and innocent naive fascination for persons that are mixed with fine asymmetrical features and so forth. There is more to it than that.

I seriously don't believe there is any such thing as universal standards of beauty that cross cultural barriers, ver.

But yet the obviously overwelming presence of Eurasians in the media in Asia, as many or the HKers in this thead pointed out, and in the United States, as well, proves to the contrary.

The evidence that the Eurasian beauty myth is affecting the whole world almost is so plain in sight that blind people like Stevie Wonders can percieve it. What the real problem is that most persons can't accept it nor care to do anything about it.

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Now generally speaking. . . .

Now for anybody here who dont agree with my POVs start telling me to my face that I'm a whining, sorry ass, low life, can't get pussy, angry AM, militant, kill whitey slogan spewing, loser racist bigot, blah, blah, blah, blah , because my viewpoints contradicts others here, let me point this out:

Perhaps the problem here could be the fact that we are both looking at this more subjectively rather than objectively -- seeing things for what it really is regarding this subject, as Wongba wisely pointed out.

And more importantly, perhaps that our perceptions on things are different. Additionally our life experiences may also be different and that may play a consequential role on how we may view the subject with such differences in opinion.

So, no I can't agree with everyone on their opposing viewpoints completely . . . .

But I can respect other viewpoints instead of stooping down to the same level to and calling people white worshiping, white cock sucking, sellout apologists. I expect the same in any of the responses I may get from this post on.

I thought I'll point that out since it seems the majority nowadays cannot see, or REFUSE to see the complete scope of reality regarding the model minority myth in general. Not just the Eurasian beauty myth.

And where they are confronted with constructive critisizm, they then degenerate and digress the discussion to personal attacks, insults, and false accusations.

[mndeg]

Kill whitey bandwagon once again. This whole Asian inferiority complex argument might work if not for the many other non-Asian (read: white, Hispanic/Latino/a, African-American, etc.) people who also think mixed people tend to be more physically attractive.

Anyway it all comes down to subjectivity and unique combinations people find to be exotic. Regardless of what plastic surgeons would have you think there is no overall unconscious global standard of beauty. You can prove this merely by pointing out to just one individual's everchanging tastes throughout his/her lifetime, unless you're talking about extreme features like drastic assymetry, deformity, or horrible skin

really white? I've never heard of any white person say that unless they were low value males/females or had a strange fetish (unhealthy). Have you seen mexican television? What about indonesian television? Most of their television shows have lighter skinned people that look nothing like the majority of the people, not even remotely similar. Like two different "races". It's all inferiority complex. And obviously black people too, especially in America, where blacks for a long time were forbidden to have sex or marry with whites. American Hollywood portrayed blonde beauties and all that, blacks were watching at the same time but they were forbidden to touch the white women.

Seriously, the sheer strangeness of some mixed people puts them at a huge disadvantage of looks. I mean if there was an ugly single raced person it wouldn't be a big deal, ugly people are everywhere. But if it's a strange combination of features that'll deserve a second look. Sometimes a lot of features just don't mesh.

Also to make a statement saying that white features are attractive is just wwroonnggg. Laughably wrong. walk into any Wal-Mart and look around. It's merely all about dominance and power, and Hollywood is capable of overpowering the local media of most nations. Not to mention the history of the West invading, colonizing, and plundering other countries.

And what do you mean 'strange' facial feature combinations? I can symphasize with your concerns as an APA with the IR dating disparity issues, racial discrimination, etc. Believe me.

But to call mixed Asians in general as persons with 'strange features' can be a bit abrasive to other Eurasians or Afro-Asians who also post on YW.
covered above. I don't have any concerns about IR dating disparity issues. LOL

Obvious example: White men prefer Asian women over white women, not just because they are physically more attractive in itself but also because they see Asian women as more submissive and eager to please in contrast to white women who they feel are more intimidating, dominerring or independant.

This is definitely not true. Only low value white males "prefer" asian women, simply because if they had to get their white female counterpart of the same value they would seemingly be highly unattractive. With an asian fetish however, a 3 can turn into a 7, and if the female has a white fetish (highly likely) she gets to be with a person of perceived higher value than what she normally would be able to get.

Look at Lisa Lampanelli and her thing about black men, she said if she were to be with a white man he'd probably look something like her. hahaha

[BeTheReds]

This is definitely not true. Only low value white males "prefer" asian women, simply because if they had to get their white female counterpart of the same value they would seemingly be highly unattractive. With an asian fetish however, a 3 can turn into a 7, and if the female has a white fetish (highly likely) she gets to be with a person of perceived higher value than what she normally would be able to get.

Look at Lisa Lampanelli and her thing about black men, she said if she were to be with a white man he'd probably look something like her. hahaha
Attention everyone...
Please discuss your views on interracial dating outside the hapa forum. All future posts related to interracial dating will be split and moved to a new thread in rant. The hapa forum is to discuss hapas. If the interracial dating discussion involves hapas as participants then fine, otherwise take it elsewhere.

It's a combination of both. Yes, true, humans are just naturally inclined somehow to find mixed people very attractive and it makes sense to me. Definitely.

That's not true. Humans are inclined to find attractive people attractive. That's why they are attractive. Any celebrity example that anyone wants to give out is irrelevant, furthermore the "scientific" study taken in australia by japanese and australians has fatal errors. If what you say is true then does it mean that unattractive hapas are rare, or are anomolies? I highly doubt it. I've seen plenty of hapas who aren't attractive. If someone has a thing for hapas, it is a fetish.



The IR dating disparity issue among Asians is clear example of that. Many persons marry or date white to assimulate into western society and to move up the economic ladder. Also fetishes and stereotypes come into play.

Whites on the other hand sees persons of color or persons who are mixed as persons with a racial inferority complex that they can dominate. Fetishes and stereotypes come into play here as well.

Obvious example: White men prefer Asian women over white women, not just because they are physically more attractive in itself but also because they see Asian women as more submissive and eager to please in contrast to white women who they feel are more intimidating, dominerring or independant.

Same goes with many white men and Eurasian women.


Stop talking about interracial dating/marriage here.

[Sunflare]

Attention everyone...
Please discuss your views on interracial dating outside the hapa forum. All future posts related to interracial dating will be split and moved to a new thread in rant. The hapa forum is to discuss hapas. If the interracial dating discussion involves hapas as participants then fine, otherwise take it elsewhere.



That's not true. Humans are inclined to find attractive people attractive. That's why they are attractive. Any celebrity example that anyone wants to give out is irrelevant, furthermore the "scientific" study taken in australia by japanese and australians has fatal errors. If what you say is true then does it mean that unattractive hapas are rare, or are anomolies? I highly doubt it. I've seen plenty of hapas who aren't attractive. If someone has a thing for hapas, it is a fetish.




Stop talking about interracial dating/marriage here.

Speaking as an APA and not as a hapa even as I am one, I completely disagree with these comments. In fact I am outraged. What is this ?

Remember all hapas came to life out of IR marriages, serious IR relationships and so forth. So how in the world can we just erase the IR dating issue out of the topics to be discussed here ??!!!! That makes no sense.

I might as well disown my own blessed Chinese heritage as an APA of mixed descent everytime I post here then.

With all due respect to you BeTheReds fellow APA and moderator, pardon my strong words -BUT- you cannot speak for all hapas with this ultimatum you laid down for us. Myself, Napoleon Chynamite, or other hapas or APAs, should be allowed to speak our minds on issues like this.

Edit: This may be the last time I waste my time posting in the hello Hapas forum. I m disgusted by the apologist overtones that is prevalent here sometimes......

[BeTheReds]

Speaking as an APA and not as a hapa even as I am one, I completely disagree with these comments. In fact I am outraged. What is this ?

Remember all hapas came to life out of IR marriages, serious IR relationships and so forth. So how in the world can we just erase the IR dating issue out of the topics to be discussed here ??!!!! That makes no sense.

I might as well disown my own blessed Chinese heritage as an APA of mixed descent everytime I post here then.

With all due respect to you BeTheReds fellow APA and moderator, pardon my strong words -BUT- you cannot speak for all hapas with this ultimatum you laid down for us. Myself, Napoleon Chynamite, or other hapas or APAs, should be allowed to speak our minds on issues like this.

Edit: This may be the last time I waste my time posting in the hello Hapas forum. I m disgusted by the apologist overtones that is prevalent here sometimes......


The forum should be about hapas, not debating the merits or demerits of interracial dating. Issues with interracial dating can be discussed in the rant room. I don't want the hapa forum to degenerate into monoracials discussing interracial dating. This has been the standard fare here for quite a while. (Check the forum guidelines).

Certainly if the topic is about how hapas themselves feel about interracial dating or hapas as participants in interracial dating then it belongs here, sure. What I posted was more in reaction to a previous posters assesment of low value white males. Sure, he's got a right to his opinion, but yellowworld is divided into categories specifically for that reason.

cclear, I tried to PM you but apparently you turned that off... We should talk...

[Sunflare]

The forum should be about hapas, not debating the merits or demerits of interracial dating. Issues with interracial dating can be discussed in the rant room. I don't want the hapa forum to degenerate into monoracials discussing interracial dating. This has been the standard fare here for quite a while. (Check the forum guidelines).

Certainly if the topic is about how hapas themselves feel about interracial dating or hapas as participants in interracial dating then it belongs here, sure. What I posted was more in reaction to a previous posters assesment of low value white males. Sure, he's got a right to his opinion, but yellowworld is divided into categories specifically for that reason.

cclear, I tried to PM you but apparently you turned that off... We should talk...

Well since you put it that way then I'll say this much --- I don't necessarily see things from a hapa perspective as much as I see things more from the perspective of the angry monoracial Asian American male.

Yes I see the guidelines posted for this particular forum. I really don't like it but nethertheless that is the rules here. You are the boss here, you run the show, and I have to abide by the guidelines enforced in this particular message board.

So I'm not going to step on your toes since you pull rank here and I'm nothing but a peon. Fine. So be it.

Anyway like I said, I don't see things as a 'hapa' even though I am a hapa. So I guess I won't be posting here then. The hell with trying to relate to the so called 'hapa' experience. It's a waste of my time.

You can have your last say, and make your closing statements. I'm done.

See you in the rant room.

Seriously, the sheer strangeness of some mixed people puts them at a huge disadvantage of looks. I mean if there was an ugly single raced person it wouldn't be a big deal, ugly people are everywhere. But if it's a strange combination of features that'll deserve a second look. Sometimes a lot of features just don't mesh.

Also to make a statement saying that white features are attractive is just wwroonnggg. Laughably wrong. walk into any Wal-Mart and look around. It's merely all about dominance and power, and Hollywood is capable of overpowering the local media of most nations. Not to mention the history of the West invading, colonizing, and plundering other countries.


covered above. I don't have any concerns about IR dating disparity issues. LOL


This is definitely not true. Only low value white males "prefer" asian women, simply because if they had to get their white female counterpart of the same value they would seemingly be highly unattractive. With an asian fetish however, a 3 can turn into a 7, and if the female has a white fetish (highly likely) she gets to be with a person of perceived higher value than what she normally would be able to get.

Look at Lisa Lampanelli and her thing about black men, she said if she were to be with a white man he'd probably look something like her. hahaha

I dont agree with these comments. AT ALL. Very bad observations on your part. Maybe we should discuss it in the gender wars and the media (or, let's beat that dead horse once more) thread in the rant room (http://forums.yellowworld.org/showthread.php?t=34892). Repost your statement there and we can 'discuss' why I disagree with these statements.

[BeTheReds]

Well since you put it that way then I'll say this much --- I don't necessarily see things from a hapa perspective as much as I see things more from the perspective of the angry monoracial Asian American male.

Yes I see the guidelines posted for this particular forum. I really don't like it but nethertheless that is the rules here. You are the boss here, you run the show, and I have to abide by the guidelines enforced in this particular message board.

So I'm not going to step on your toes since you pull rank here and I'm nothing but a peon. Fine. So be it.

Anyway like I said, I don't see things as a 'hapa' even though I am a hapa. So I guess I won't be posting here then. The hell with trying to relate to the so called 'hapa' experience. It's a waste of my time.
You can have your last say, and make your closing statements. I'm done.

See you in the rant room.


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