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Rogmok

10-30-2003, 02:47 PM

i haven't been keeping up so i don't know if this point is moot..

but what do you think? Should we make Iraq pay back at least a portion of the aid that we are giving them?? I think both sides have valid arguments..

but in the end.. i think we should make iraq repay the aid money.. or at least a part of it.

Emperor_Mike

10-30-2003, 03:33 PM

If your neighbours came into your house, smashed up your livingroom and then offered to help you replace your lost possessions, do you think it fair of them to ask you for reimbursement?

kimpossible

10-30-2003, 03:34 PM

I think that's just the price of war. It's expensive. That seems kind of... weird to attack, rebuild then expect to be paid back.

edit: might as well just throw this in rant

VV o n g B a

10-30-2003, 03:49 PM

we should do neither. we should get other countries to pay for it.

continuing mike analogy, it'd be akin to smashing up your neighbor's room and asking the subdivision's residents to pay for it. hell, we were the one's who actually went into the house and risked our health to do some "pest control." why should we pay? it's the neighbors who should pay cuz we uprooted a danger that they weren't willing to. (of course, u'll have to overlook the fact that they didn't especially WANT us to do pest control... but whatever)

Emperor_Mike

10-30-2003, 03:52 PM

deez nuts

10-30-2003, 03:52 PM

yes, we saved them. it's the least they can do.

life with saddam = sucks

life without saddam = a-ok like the usa.

thaite

10-30-2003, 03:54 PM

I thought we were just going to take their oil and call it even.

Cipherous

10-30-2003, 03:58 PM

I think you guys are alittle mis informed.

you'd be surprised who was responsible for Saddam's reign as President of Iraq.

As for the war, Iraqi's don't owe us a dime.

However, the US is gonna take whatever oil they have to offer though.

John0101

10-30-2003, 04:04 PM

We come in, invade their country, steal their oil, and then make them pay us back? WTF?!?!?

Doesn't this sound very similiar to what happen to Germany after WWI, they had a huge debt to Britian and France, who in turn had a huge debt to the United States.

Now the United States have a huge debt to the entire world and it's own citizens.

Rogmok

10-30-2003, 06:16 PM

i think it all boils down to... Bush is a dumbass.

John0101

10-30-2003, 06:25 PM

i think it all boils down to... Bush is a dumbass.

I don't think he could of done a lot of things differently on the war on terrorism. Invading Iraq, well thats a different story. I do not think we should withdraw our troops now we are in too deep. If there was never a 911 and economy rebounded earlier (if possible, the budget deficit contrubite a lot to the rebound in the economy) everybody would be praising Bush.

Anyways, I do think Mr. Bush matured a lot during his Presidency, he had to make many hard decisions that molded him into a stronger President then when he came in.

kasia

10-30-2003, 09:21 PM

moving to rant...

Tao

10-30-2003, 09:31 PM

Anyways, I do think Mr. Bush matured a lot during his Presidency, he had to make many hard decisions that molded him into a stronger President then when he came in.
yeah you're right, he realized africa wasn't a country

no we shouldn't ask them to pay us back. reason? they didn't want our "help" to begin with. This kind of logic is like how the mob gets "protection" money.

Emperor_Mike

10-31-2003, 01:26 AM

I don't think he could of done a lot of things differently on the war on terrorism. Invading Iraq, well thats a different story. I do not think we should withdraw our troops now we are in too deep. If there was never a 911 and economy rebounded earlier (if possible, the budget deficit contrubite a lot to the rebound in the economy) everybody would be praising Bush.

Anyways, I do think Mr. Bush matured a lot during his Presidency, he had to make many hard decisions that molded him into a stronger President then when he came in.

Perhaps he has. Or perhaps he's realised that it would not be advisable to make less-than-intelligent remarks on national television, what, with the election coming up so very soon and all. To be perfectly honest, I don't think George W. Bush is to blame for the majority of the problems. You have people like Donald Rumsfeld and Karl Rove to question about this. George seems very much like an individual with good intentions but should never be allowed to be in charge of anything, let alone a government.

BeTheReds

10-31-2003, 01:42 AM

We should make them finance our war against them like the British did to the Chinese!!!!

J/k

John0101

10-31-2003, 10:56 AM

Perhaps he has. Or perhaps he's realised that it would not be advisable to make less-than-intelligent remarks on national television, what, with the election coming up so very soon and all. To be perfectly honest, I don't think George W. Bush is to blame for the majority of the problems. You have people like Donald Rumsfeld and Karl Rove to question about this. George seems very much like an individual with good intentions but should never be allowed to be in charge of anything, let alone a government.

I agree, a lot of people just jumped blindly onto the band wagon and bashed him for no reason what-so-ever. I'm sure this had something to do with how the media has portrayed him. But with all this being said, I'm turning 21 before the next election and G.W. Bush Jr. isn't going to get my vote.

Emperor_Mike

10-31-2003, 12:04 PM

I don't see how making Iraq repay their loan to the USA is any different from what the Chinese authorities do to the families of the people they executed: tell them to pay for the price of the bullets which would eventually kill the loved ones.

In principle it's the same, but a handful of bullets don't cost billions of US dollars. How Washington can even fathom a scenario where Iraq is capable of repaying the costs of what is essentially an Anglo-American occupation is beyond me. It'd be like trying to squeeze blood out of a stone (i.e. ridiculous to the point of being outrageously absurd.)

Emperor_Mike

10-31-2003, 12:06 PM

I agree, a lot of people just jumped blindly onto the band wagon and bashed him for no reason what-so-ever. I'm sure this had something to do with how the media has portrayed him. But with all this being said, I'm turning 21 before the next election and G.W. Bush Jr. isn't going to get my vote.

Would you vote for George W. Bush if he was a Democrat running with a handful of Clintonian behind him? Would any of you cast a vote for a Democrat Bush?

John0101

10-31-2003, 06:05 PM

Would you vote for George W. Bush if he was a Democrat running with a handful of Clintonian behind him? Would any of you cast a vote for a Democrat Bush?

Depends on who the other canidate are, they're stance on issues and policies. I am not a democrat btw, I registered as an independant. But I am pretty liberal on most issues.

Ogumo

10-31-2003, 10:55 PM

I don't think so. The war could have been avoided. The americans just wanted a war against Iraq. The Iraq people are poor enough they shouldnt have to pay for something that they didnt want anyway.

John0101

11-01-2003, 10:14 AM

I don't think so. The war could have been avoided. The americans just wanted a war against Iraq. The Iraq people are poor enough they shouldnt have to pay for something that they didnt want anyway.

The idea is that Iraqi oil would be used to payback the United States. Before the war Germany, French, and Russia all had major investments in Iraq.

Ogumo

11-01-2003, 11:00 AM

The idea is that Iraqi oil would be used to payback the United States. Before the war Germany, French, and Russia all had major investments in Iraq.

Yes but why should they pay back the united states when it was america that started the war. I would agree with the iraq people having to pay back money if they started this war but that is not the case here.

John0101

11-01-2003, 04:14 PM

Yes but why should they pay back the united states when it was america that started the war. I would agree with the iraq people having to pay back money if they started this war but that is not the case here.

I agree with you, I am against Iraqi people paying the United States to take over their country and remove Sadam.