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This is from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. I wouldn't say that I feel like "ranting," exactly. But I definitely feel annoyed. A donut for the first person to give a cogent reason why.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/editorials/oct03/177463.asp
kimpossible
10-20-2003, 11:12 AM
Because it's raw, it's highly critical of the Chinese government and it doesn't make you rant exactly because although it's highly unflattering and mocking some very serious and complicated issues, the cartoonist is basing it on unwanted girls in China, fact. Not average Asian eats a cat that makes him upset like the other illustration.
It makes the Chinese government look very cold in shipping off the girls like a problem. But the subject is the Chinese government, not every ethnic or national Chinese.
mr. x
10-20-2003, 12:27 PM
yeah most political cartoons poke fun at communist china, this is poking fun at chinese period
its like saying "oh look at those dogeating chinese" is a legitimate political complaint
hell the worst thing Leno said was "ooh big deal, ive been on a flight longer than that"
Napoleon Chynamite
10-20-2003, 12:37 PM
What excess females?? I thought that men still currently outnumber women by a fairly large margin in China. If anything there are excess males.
Napoleon Chynamite
10-20-2003, 12:38 PM
Those excess females can and should be given, once they grow up, to Asian mail order brides. I think that would solve what to do with 'unwanted' Chinese girls. hehehe
Padre va a casa por favor. Tu mama te está esperando.
deez nuts
10-20-2003, 01:26 PM
i'm not annoyed or offended by it. it's a satire on a harsh reality. Unwanted chinese girls in china, who is to blame for this problem? the chinese.
Napoleon Chynamite
10-20-2003, 01:30 PM
How come Chinese leaders are always portrayed as fat? haha Oh well, I guess it's maybe cuz most of them are.
kimpossible
10-20-2003, 01:33 PM
That would make Mars a pretty popular vacation spot for men in about 16 years. Maybe it'd be all amazon'd out by then.
armchair activist
10-20-2003, 01:42 PM
http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/news/img/oct03/carlsonbig101603.jpg
This is from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. I wouldn't say that I feel like "ranting," exactly. But I definitely feel annoyed. A donut for the first person to give a cogent reason why.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/editorials/oct03/177463.asp
Some people could imply some subtle AM bashing as well and it reinforces negative AM stereotypes. For some ignorant asiaphile AF craving WMs it could be more ammo to use against AMs. On the other hand it could be just another lame ignorant basically harmless statement marginalizing the accomplishments of others.
kimpossible
10-20-2003, 02:00 PM
so who gets the donut?
Napoleon Chynamite
10-20-2003, 02:11 PM
me
What excess females?? I thought that men still currently outnumber women by a fairly large margin in China. If anything there are excess males.
I agree with Hube. In order to have "excess" females, they'd actually have to be born first. Rural areas of China are rifted with kidnapping since there aren't enough women for all the women. Someone didn't do their research.
SunWuKong
10-20-2003, 02:35 PM
What excess females?? I thought that men still currently outnumber women by a fairly large margin in China. If anything there are excess males.
the joke is on the fact that female fetuses are sometimes aborted for being female, and before the introduction of the sonograph in mainland China, female new-borns are sometimes abandoned or even killed. it's a humour of irony to say that there is an excess of females. kind of a sick joke in a way, but bunboy is right, nobody but the Chinese themselves are to be blamed for this problem.
mr. x
10-20-2003, 09:11 PM
Padre va a casa por favor. Tu mama te está esperando.
Father goes please to house. Your breast is hoping to you. ?
AliBabaIncorporated
10-20-2003, 10:09 PM
Father goes please to house. Your breast is hoping to you. ?
babelfish, huh?
mr. x
10-20-2003, 10:51 PM
babelfish, huh?
yah whats it say?
Napoleon Chynamite
10-21-2003, 12:04 AM
It means, go home padre. Your mom is waiting for you, in bad Spanish.
This strikes me as an odd "clarification" of the cartoon. I don't really see the issue as being one of "mistreatment of Chinese girls by the Chinese government." If the intent is to criticize the one-child policy, I think the cartoon could have been worded more carefully.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/editorials/oct03/178921.asp
Editorial: Clarification on a cartoon
From the Journal Sentinel
Last Updated: Oct. 21, 2003
We have received a number of comments from readers who were offended by an Oct. 16 cartoon that depicted a group of Chinese girls moving toward a government rocket about to be launched into space. The readers believed the cartoon, by Stuart Carlson, was insulting to Chinese girls and to the many American couples who have adopted Chinese infant girls.
The cartoon was intended to draw attention to the mistreatment of Chinese girls by the Chinese government, represented in the cartoon by a Chinese official. That government has a policy that seeks to limit most couples to one child. Those who have more are penalized in a variety of ways, mostly financial. According to the State Department's 2002 Country Report on Human Rights Practices in China, issued earlier this year, this one-child policy, combined with the "traditional preference for sons," has resulted in "female infanticide, sex selective abortions and the abandonment and neglect of baby girls."
We regret any misunderstanding, confusion or hurt feelings we may have unintentionally caused.
ChairmanMah
10-22-2003, 10:44 AM
more white men belittling, exploiting and taking credit for asian accomplishments. fuck 'em
ChinaLama
10-22-2003, 10:51 AM
what does that editorial have to do w/ white ppl taking credit for asian accomplishments?
ChairmanMah
10-22-2003, 11:07 AM
what does that editorial have to do w/ white ppl taking credit for asian accomplishments?
not this particular cartoon but it happens.
SunWuKong
10-22-2003, 11:14 AM
not this particular cartoon but it happens.
:huh:
ooookaaayy... that was random.
mr. x
10-22-2003, 04:02 PM
i think the problem was the wording, cuz like someone mentioned, if anything china NEEDS girls
so if anyone's getting rid of girls its the ignorant villagers not official govt policy
BeTheReds
10-22-2003, 06:34 PM
not this particular cartoon but it happens.
If it isn't this cartoon, then why are you posting about it in this thread?
(Actually, I ate them both already. And they were Krispy Kremes.)
I think HH was probably the closest, although Gumby's comment about how Chinese leaders are portrayed is another part of why I'm annoyed. The cartoon does make it seem as if the Chinese government is very cold. And it's an oversimplication of a very complex issue.
The Journal Sentinel's clarification still strikes me as extremely odd. I was very interested by the following:
... was insulting to Chinese girls and to the many American couples who have adopted Chinese infant girls.
I wonder who the paper heard from. Chinese girls? Chinese people? Or just a bunch of Americans with adopted Chinese girls?
Slate's got a series of cartoons about the Chinese in space:
http://cagle.slate.msn.com/news/ChinaInSpace/main.asp
ChairmanMah
10-23-2003, 04:29 PM
If it isn't this cartoon, then why are you posting about it in this thread?
Why not, it sounds good in my post don't it.
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