Can an Asian be an Asia-phile? [Archive]

ModernLogic

10-12-2003, 02:26 AM

Are Asiaphiles restricted only to white guys? Can an Asian male also be an labeled as an "Asiaphile" if he is also attracted to Asian ladies exclusively?

I'm basically trying to expose the hypocrisy of anti-Asiaphiles (typically Asian feminists who have too much time on their hands such as those from www.bigbadchinesemama.com). Why is it justified when an Asian male likes Asians exclusively but when a White male shares the same sexual preference, he's labeled as an "Asiaphile."

I certainly don't see blondes voicing complaints against Blondephiles and we certainly know Blondephiles exist. In fact, most white Americans are blondephiles. Which leads me a side-track question: What's so special about blondes anyways? Everytime you hear some white guy describing a beautiful woman on a TV show/movie, it always starts with: "So this blonde walks in..."

Anyways, I guess I'll try to offer a response to my initial question. My theory as to why Asians only target whites as "Asiaphiles" is rooted in the notion that people of the same race are expected to date/marry/breed with their own kind. Asian guy likes Asian girl is natural. White guy who likes Asian girl is a horny-imperialist-chauvinist-pig-dog. Hey, don't get me wrong. I'm not defending white guys at all. In fact, I also cringe everytime I see a hot Asian babe with a white guy. But still, I think labeling only whites as "Asiaphiles" is simply unfair. And I'm all about being fair.

YuheiCarreau

10-12-2003, 09:35 AM

So... This is some weird way of promoting interracial relationships? Or are you just attacking 'Asian feminists who have too much time on their hands'?

Cipherous

10-12-2003, 10:36 AM

So... This is some weird way of promoting interracial relationships? Or are you just attacking 'Asian feminists who have too much time on their hands'?

I think what he is trying to say that there is hypocrisy of Asian males using the term "AsiaPhiles" to define non-Asians dating Asian females but Asian males who exclusively date Asian females are not Asia-phile.

in a nutshell, hes asking "How come only non-Asians who date Asians are labeled Asia-philes whereas Asians who date other Asians aren't Asia-philes".

To answer XiaoRongJi1202's question, I think non-Asians are labeled Asia-philes because many beleive that they only date Asian women because they view them as objects not really human. For example, an Asian male might say a white male is an Asia-phile because that white male is dating an Asian women because they White males doesn't view her as a person, he views her more as an object (a car, watch, some material thing). However, this is very superficial...it is very inadequate to label a person an Asia-phile just because a white, black or whatever is dating an Asian female.

The fact is that alot of males still view females as objects, that men own them...that they're not equal of men. Nowadays, Asian males try to retain that power over Asian females by saying that they're "selling out" by not dating them. However, you rarely see an Asian male being called a sell out when he is dating a non-Asian female. You can clearly see that there is a double standard.

Cipherous

10-12-2003, 10:44 AM

Also, some people may argue that the Asian male is given an unfair advantage because we're seldom represented in the mainstream media (the vast majority of the heart throbs and hunks are White males). I don't think you can blame the White-Asia couple per se, but you can blame the media (or whatever system) for it.

Green_Circle

10-12-2003, 11:30 AM

Come to think of it, most Asian guys only prefer Asian females. However after reading this thread they might begin dating non Asian females so as to avoid the 'phile' label. But then they would now qualify to be placed in the 'sellout' category. Best to go dateless for a while 'til we figure this out.

kitty

10-12-2003, 11:49 AM

Napoleon Chynamite

10-12-2003, 12:25 PM

I think I started a thread that was very very similar to this one (What constitutes an asiaphile? or something like that) when I first joined this board way back when...my answer is yes, Asian people can definitely be Asiaphiles. However, I feel that the implications and effects for the asiaphilic attitudes of Asians versus non-Asians is different.

Napoleon Chynamite

10-12-2003, 12:28 PM

I feel like Cipherous is right when he's talking about how all males who date women because they're asian are not really seeing them as human. I don't think it's more "natural" for an Asian man to date an Asian woman, and if they only reason you're going after her is because she's Asian, how're you any different from a white Asiaphile?

Well supposedly according to some people like Alibaba, people have an unconscious, uncontrollable, disposition to feeling more of an alliance, attachment, etc. with those who are more genetically close to us. Although I disagree, I don't have any solid evidence to counter his argument. Regardless, I can always bring my own experiences into discussion. I have always felt the most comfortable (and most attracted to) members of groups that I have been surrounded by the most, regardless of genetic proximity.

ChairmanMah

10-12-2003, 12:58 PM

can a child be a pedophile?

yes, but not likely.

kimpossible

10-12-2003, 01:06 PM

Can an Asian be an Asia-phile?

Yup. Particularly born-agains.

kimpossible

10-12-2003, 01:34 PM

Anyways, I guess I'll try to offer a response to my initial question. My theory as to why Asians only target whites as "Asiaphiles" is rooted in the notion that people of the same race are expected to date/marry/breed with their own kind.

Good theory. However I never developed this expectation. I don't even think I could if I wanted to. I am devoid of the concept of sticking with your own kind. Not because I'm colorblind or enlightened or anything... just a result of being mixed.

I still hold the opinion that there are creepy white horny-imperialist-chauvinist-pig-dogs that chase after Asian women for horny-imperialist-chauvinist-pig-dog reasons that most Asian guys don't have. I look to historical precedence and social/economic/cultural/media factors that influence each. I'm sure there are creepy black, hispanic, whatever horny-imperialist-chauvinist-pig-dogs as well as white. There are also females that are asiaphiles.

I personally prefer the ones that don't try to hide their racial and cultural preferences behind a smoke screen of 'having an interest Asian culture' or whatever. If it's about a piece of ass, just own up to it.

Anyways, I guess I'll try to offer a response to my initial question. My theory as to why Asians only target whites as "Asiaphiles" is rooted in the notion that people of the same race are expected to date/marry/breed with their own kind. Asian guy likes Asian girl is natural.

As a married adult I can tell you that it's nice to have a mate that shares a similar cultural background and value set that I have. It's natural to seek someone compatible for yourself. If you can consider it culturally similar in a pan-Asian type of way (for us it's close enough outside of the intra-Asian stupid little fights or Japanese vs. Chinese diffs or Chinese vs. American diffs), then yeah I suppose that could be considered natural. Just like I don't fault two white ppl getting together. Or that it appears the majority of white skinned people marry 'their own kind' in the US. I don't think it's abnormal.

But anyone who seeks a certain race of person to make them more Asian because they have weird perceptions about mystic Asia or timid little Asian girls or boys, the idea of belonging to an older culture because they feel culturally lost, etc. that type of shit, I think just about anyone can be an Asiaphile. I didn't make them - not my fault. Not my responsibility that there exist Asiaphiles and the majority I've seen are white males. Does it mean every white male is an Asiaphile? Nope. That's why I usually identify with terms like Asiaphile or Rice King. I don't say Anyguy Dating an Asian Woman.

I also cringe everytime I see a hot Asian babe with a white guy. But still, I think labeling only whites as "Asiaphiles" is simply unfair. And I'm all about being fair.

I don't cringe. I don't care. An IR couple isn't my problem or my concern or a personal cause for celebration because I'm mixed or my marriage is IR. Much like I don't care who breeds with who. Has nothing to do with my intolerance for creepy horny-imperialist-chauvinist-pig-dogs of any race. In particular I hate white Asiaphiles, but over all I'm a pretty equal opportunity hater.

Napoleon Chynamite

10-12-2003, 02:20 PM

Yup. Particularly born-agains.

*gulp*

stunninglyAsian

10-12-2003, 03:50 PM

There are also females that are asiaphiles.

Yeah, and bigfoot exists... sorry, I'm from the midwest. Never seen one in my entire life, just heard stories.

Don't flame me on this, but I think I read somewhere (maybe a psychology book) that the whole "opposites attract" view on dating was scientifically proven to be wrong- humans prefer to be with people that share the same interests.

Even if that is totally wrong, I don't think an Asian can be an Asianphile. I see Asianphiles as people who see Asian women as an exotic oriental lay that will please them to their dick's content. You'll never hear an Asian guy say, "Damn, I love Chinese girls... they look so exotic. I dunno, I just have a thing for those slanty eyed Chinatown girls. Lemme kung pow her all night long!" You'll hear Asian guys say Chinese girls are cute, they're less bitchy, or whatever. And I don't view that as Asianphile. If a non-Asian said that, then I have no problem with it.

Asian guys like to date Asian girls because of similarities in culture. It's like hanging out with a person who has the same interests or background. An example, you don't have to worry about an Asian bf/gf making fun of your parents, food, customs, etc. Because they come from the same background, they understand that your parents' english sucks, they can accept the funky smell of Asian food, they know all that shit. It's comforting to know that your significant other has been through the same experiences instead of he/she looking at you like you just farted and you having to explain it.

Napoleon Chynamite

10-12-2003, 03:55 PM

Yeah, and bigfoot exists... sorry, I'm from the midwest. Never seen one in my entire life, just heard stories.

Don't flame me on this, but I think I read somewhere (maybe a psychology book) that the whole "opposites attract" view on dating was scientifically proven to be wrong- humans prefer to be with people that share the same interests.

Even if that is totally wrong, I don't think an Asian can be an Asianphile. I see Asianphiles as people who see Asian women as an exotic oriental lay that will please them to their dick's content. You'll never hear an Asian guy say, "Damn, I love Chinese girls... they look so exotic. I dunno, I just have a thing for those slanty eyed Chinatown girls. Lemme kung pow her all night long!" You'll hear Asian guys say Chinese girls are cute, they're less bitchy, or whatever. And I don't view that as Asianphile. If a non-Asian said that, then I have no problem with it.

Asian guys like to date Asian girls because of similarities in culture. It's like hanging out with a person who has the same interests or background. An example, you don't have to worry about an Asian bf/gf making fun of your parents, food, customs, etc. Because they come from the same background, they understand that your parents' english sucks, they can accept the funky smell of Asian food, they know all that shit. It's comforting to know that your significant other has been through the same experiences instead of he/she looking at you like you just farted and you having to explain it.

I've met a few female asiaphiles. They resemble their male counterparts except perhaps they aren't as much after sex as they are for, I dunno...what do women want again? Money? TLC? Anyways, they don't seem to be as horny or sex-crazy. And the biggest female asiaphile I met was fucking hot model material. Not that it made her 'phileness any better...*waits for lobbed grenades*

Of course you'll never hear an Asian guy say stuff like that about Asian women. At least not outwardly. They will look incredibly stupid and out of place, not to mention that their cover as an Asian guy with a fetish for Asian women would be blown to kingdom come. But even though they may or may not (some do) buy into the stereotypes created for Asian women in various western societies around the globe, that doesn't mean that they can't develop an unhealthy preference to the extent that they would exclude all other prospective relationship partners simply because they aren't Asian. Fact is that anybody has the ability to fetishize something that they were not born into, and there are plenty of people of Asian descent who were not born into specific Asian cultures, styles of upbringing, and society.

When I was going through my azn pryde phase in life about 4 or 5 years ago and sought to hang out with more Chinese and Japanese girls because I saw them as initially attractive in a novelty-ish and unfamiliar type of way after seeking for more outside my wonderbread group of friends, yet only my white friend got criticized for being some slimy greaseball looking to get ass from Asian women whereas people thought that I was just merely trying to get in touch with my roots when in all honesty at the time I was trying to touch um... something else. I had Japanese and Korean people telling me that white people were so different in terms of culture and food and way of life and that they would never understand Asian culture, when my parents don't exactly make sushi or bulgogi from time to time.

Which once again brings the argument about how pan-Asian culture does or does not exist into the spotlight. Ultimately, however, the answer is left up in the air and subject to endless argument in countless threads on various Asian-related online forums. Yet the reality is that there are people everywhere (even in Asia) who believe that it does in fact exist, just how there are people everywhere who think the concept is rubbish. What better justification or confirmation is there for an existence of such a community than the presence of opinions expressing their beliefs that there is a sense of common ground and a set of values or commonalities in terms of way of life etc. which all Asian people can identify with? Me personally, I don't think a single pan-Asian community exists, but I guess what I'm trying to say is that whether or not a community is present (i.e. the gay community) is simply based upon the individual. Are gays who perceive there to be no gay community (or feel no ties to other gay people) still part of the gay community? Does the existence of gay people who believe there is no gay community support the fact that there is no gay community? Or does the existence of gay people who believe there is a gay community support the fact that a gay community definitely exists? Gays who believe in a community will do their best to partake in activities such as setting up support groups, connections with other gays, constructing organizations for common interests and issues of concern (perceived or real), etc., whereas gays who do not believe in the community will not, or perhaps shun such activities or avoid association.

Anyways, sorry for the tangent, and I'm not a slimeball...not an asiaphilic one anyway.... Regardless of what my avatar insinuates, I'm completely innocent and pure and free of indecency.

Napoleon Chynamite

10-12-2003, 04:41 PM

kimpossible

10-12-2003, 05:59 PM

kitty

10-12-2003, 06:03 PM

Well supposedly according to some people like Alibaba, people have an unconscious, uncontrollable, disposition to feeling more of an alliance, attachment, etc. with those who are more genetically close to us. Although I disagree, I don't have any solid evidence to counter his argument. Regardless, I can always bring my own experiences into discussion. I have always felt the most comfortable (and most attracted to) members of groups that I have been surrounded by the most, regardless of genetic proximity.

I feel like the only attachment you might have may be from common experiences you might share, which might lead you to bond with people of your ethnicity...

Tao

10-12-2003, 06:33 PM

achtungbaby

10-12-2003, 06:38 PM

Why is it justified when an Asian male likes Asians exclusively but when a White male shares the same sexual preference, he's labeled as an "Asiaphile."What, are you serious? You think white guys are "entitled" (please note the quotations) to as much as Asian guys? That sounds like a white person talking.

I certainly don't see blondes voicing complaints against Blondephiles and we certainly know Blondephiles exist.The fact that you're comparing the pathology of Asiaphiles with with "Blondephiles" disturbs me.[/quote]

My theory as to why Asians only target whites as "Asiaphiles" is rooted in the notion that people of the same race are expected to date/marry/breed with their own kind.Your theory would be incorrect -- at least from my own perpective anyway. I would agree that there's some turn a blind eye to the fetishizing done by other colored folk -- but not by me. Fuck all weirdos, I say.

And I'm all about being fair.Are you really? Kind of like America is all about being "just" when it does what it does?

achtungbaby

10-12-2003, 06:49 PM

Maybe because most non-AF's don't like Asian guys.

It's not like there's anything wrong with your preferences, especially in relation to long term marriages, but who said that when it came to sex you had to stick with only one race? I mean it's gonna be really ridiculous if attractive non-AF's are willing and desperate in some cases to sleep with some Asian guys and these dudes only wants to bang an Asian girl. You would'nt see Black men *only* prefering *BF's* :D . Alot of pussy (white) is on offer for them and they're sure as not shy of using their manhood to good use, are they? :p :idea:Ahhh, speak of the Asiaphile:)

BTW, for all Asiaphiles out there (and I'm kidding when I include you, Mr. Z, in that group; I don't really know you): can you PLEASE stop the following posting pattern: almost solely in the Sex and Relationship forum/Men forum about Asian pussy; occasionally in the Food forum about your preference for Asian cuisine; and hardly ever about anything really substantive. I mean, please. I think we're all pretty tolerant. But if you're only here for 1) asian pussy; and 2) to tell asian guys how wrong we are, then kindly leave. I don't feel like wasting the bandwidth on ya.

achtungbaby

10-12-2003, 06:50 PM

Moving to the Rant Room.

achtungbaby

10-12-2003, 06:54 PM

Oh, and another thing: please update the Race/Ethnicity section in your individual profiles (it's under the Options sections). This is a requirement for new members when they register (they have to select *something* or it will default to Asian I think). For those of you who have not selected your ethnicity, it will be changed to "White".

mr. x

10-12-2003, 08:27 PM

err can someone explain the bornagain thing? im wondering if i am one or not

anyway yeah with the pan-asian thing, i hear a lot of dudes who like korean girls but i dont usually hear of a korean guy or japanese who was into chinese girls. though i did know this one korean guy who said that korean girls were ugly and chinese and japanese were prettier

YuheiCarreau

10-12-2003, 08:49 PM

MellowDrama

10-12-2003, 09:22 PM

I think anyone who fetishizes or objectifies Asians is an Asiaphile.

ChinaLama

10-12-2003, 09:27 PM

the whole 'born-again' thing seems to be limited to California. Apparently it's like AsianAvenue and spelling Asian as AZN and saying hella and all that other shit that all teenagers from that state go through and no one else understands. Like puberty, but goofier.

No, east coasters go through it too. except the hella part, but the "hella" thing may have spread more cuz of South Park.

YuheiCarreau

10-12-2003, 09:29 PM

No, east coasters go through it too. except the hella part, but the "hella" thing may have spread more cuz of South Park.

I don't think so. The only stereotypical thing I can think of for east coast Asians is joining the Fukinese Dragons.

ChinaLama

10-12-2003, 09:36 PM

I don't think so. The only stereotypical thing I can think of for east coast Asians is joining the Fukinese Dragons.

plenty of east coasters spell asian as azn too.

VV o n g B a

10-12-2003, 10:03 PM

plenty of east coasters spell asian as azn too.
and southerners. lots of thugged out southerners do this.

Tao

10-12-2003, 10:15 PM

plenty of east coasters spell asian as azn too.
yeah, i spell out asian as azian....like in my sn. yeah that's right, i'm cool

AliBabaIncorporated

10-12-2003, 11:12 PM

Oh, and another thing: please update the Race/Ethnicity section in your individual profiles (it's under the Options sections). This is a requirement for new members when they register (they have to select *something* or it will default to Asian I think).
how come there's no option for "Malaysian" in there? :confused:

kitty

10-12-2003, 11:36 PM

yeah, what's with the 'azn' thing? like does it stand for something?

Napoleon Chynamite

10-12-2003, 11:46 PM

how come there's no option for "Malaysian" in there? :confused:

Oh there is....see...right below Chinese, there is the box.....'tan Chinese in denial'. Click on that. Yup yup :D

AngryABCGirl

10-13-2003, 12:21 AM

Personally, I'm always going to find it more disturbing when a white guy is an Asiaphile than when an Asian guy is.

achtungbaby

10-13-2003, 01:25 AM

how come there's no option for "Malaysian" in there? :confused:I dunno. I think I copied the classifications from the U.S. Census Bureau. I guess you don't exist to them:P

achtungbaby

10-13-2003, 01:26 AM

the whole 'born-again' thing seems to be limited to California. Apparently it's like AsianAvenue and spelling Asian as AZN and saying hella and all that other shit that all teenagers from that state go through and no one else understands. Like puberty, but goofier.Everyone else is just jealous that they didn't think of it first:)

AliBabaIncorporated

10-13-2003, 02:20 AM

but the "hella" thing may have spread more cuz of South Park.
When did South Park come out? As far as I know hella is just something that kids from California have been saying forever and jackasses in the rest of the country, especially kids from the South for some reason, seem to think it's cool to make fun of. Even in middle school and high school I saw this all the time.

deez nuts

10-13-2003, 05:23 AM

yeah, what's with the 'azn' thing? like does it stand for something?

for the people with chronic "itis" the effort to type out azn is a lot easier than to type out asian. two extra letters, is a lot to type out for a person with chronic "itis."

kimpossible

10-13-2003, 07:59 AM

I find it heart warming that you a white man, can insult asians and blacks in a single post. good job.

For the slow kids in the class like me, how do you know he's white? Still on my first cup of tea - not enough caffeine.

kimpossible

10-13-2003, 08:31 AM

Personally, I'm always going to find it more disturbing when a white guy is an Asiaphile than when an Asian guy is.

Well I think you have something coming into play that Blue dice said, Asiaphilia can vary in degree. I thought I was kind of high for thinking this but since Blue dice mentioned it, I guess at least one other person was thinking it too. I don't think all forms of Asiaphiles are equal. This ties in somewhat to the explanation of how even an ethnically Asian guy can be an Asiaphile.

An example of an AA male Asiaphile would be like a former twinkie turned born again who looks to the idea of getting back his Asianness (from his perception) at Mach 3. In his former twinkiehood he never really developed any internal sense of culture and may have even run from anything resembling authentic culture to stay whitewashed. Bang. He is reborn and is starving to get more Asian and relies mainly on images he's grown up with in US media. What does a hetero teenage male concentrate on? Girls. So in this case he may (if he's lazy) look towards having his cultural authenticity in the form of a girlfriend. I think the counterargument here is that you can look at an Asian guy as having a more valid goal: he's regaining his culture. Outwardly, there may be a temporary similarity in behaviour and outlook towards an Asian culture and women between a white Asiaphile and born-again Asian, but not in the long term.

This hafllife of this type of Asiaphile is very short lived because it's near impossible to find exotic that which you have access to, or in some way belong to. Just like I imagine it would be very difficult for a white guy growing up in say China or something his entire life to find anything exotic about the Chinese. Not saying it couldn't or doesn't happen though.

How can one find his 'own' people and culture exotic? Not sure but it happens a lot with Celtophilia. I knew a from Ireland Irish girl in college whose biggest complaint about Americans were the Celtophile Irish-Americans who had this messed up idea about the exotic Emerald Isle. Apparently there is a whole tourist trade that caters to Irish Americans with the tours built to satisfy their fantasy Ireland. Make them feel like 'brothers'. My dad definitely falls under this category.

This might be a poor example but there was a scene from The Sopranos that is perfect. Tony and the guys 'go back' to Italy, the place they consider their mother country because they like to promote how Italian they are. One of the guys, Paulie, has this serious need to be be considered like a brother by the Italians. Of course since he's culturally American, he's treated as a foreigner. He tries to stir up conversation at a cafe, he tells people what area his mother was from... basically seeking acceptance. What he ends up doing is hiring an Italian prostitute who he treats like a captive audience and delivers his I'm Very Italian spiel to. She 'ahuhs' him and he interprets it as he's finally accepted as an Italian.

MellowDrama

10-13-2003, 09:01 AM

Excellent post HH. I think you hit the nail on the head. While AM can be Asiaphiles, you'd think they would snap out of it eventually.

achtungbaby

10-13-2003, 09:45 AM

How can one find his 'own' people and culture exotic?This is the crux of why I think the point of this thread is stupid. Asiaphiles can come here and pose these silly theoretical questions to justify themselves, but one need only to Google "Asiaphile" to find it's a pathetic pathology, and comparing it to the ties you feel to your own culture is that much more blatantly offensive. The underlying message is this: Asian culture is this easily transferable, non-descript suitcase that can be picked up by anyone, and puh-leeze don't tell me you get offended by racism or stereotypes directed at Asians, because I understand Asian culture and I'm not offended at all.

achtungbaby

10-13-2003, 09:47 AM

To add for clarification: a non-Asian who dates an Asian does not immediately qualify him for Asiaphile.

kimpossible

10-13-2003, 09:58 AM

I'm basically trying to expose the hypocrisy of anti-Asiaphiles (typically Asian feminists who have too much time on their hands such as those from www.bigbadchinesemama.com). Why is it justified when an Asian male likes Asians exclusively but when a White male shares the same sexual preference, he's labeled as an "Asiaphile."

I think it's unfair to label Asian women who detest white Asiaphiles as feminists with too much time on their hands. Considering it's something they have to deal with much more than you do and to boot they're debunking stereotypes, I don't see why you'd have a problem something like bigbadchinesemama. I love her site. She's got a great way of fighting stereotypes of Asian women's sexuality with humor.

kasia

10-13-2003, 10:13 AM

I certainly don't see blondes voicing complaints against Blondephiles and we certainly know Blondephiles exist.

i've had many blonde friends complain to me about ppl with blonde fetishes. most normal ppl don't enjoy being objectified.

SunWuKong

10-13-2003, 10:17 AM

How can one find his 'own' people and culture exotic? Not sure but it happens a lot with Celtophilia. I knew a from Ireland Irish girl in college whose biggest complaint about Americans were the Celtophile Irish-Americans who had this messed up idea about the exotic Emerald Isle. Apparently there is a whole tourist trade that caters to Irish Americans with the tours built to satisfy their fantasy Ireland. Make them feel like 'brothers'. My dad definitely falls under this category.

This might be a poor example but there was a scene from The Sopranos that is perfect. Tony and the guys 'go back' to Italy, the place they consider their mother country because they like to promote how Italian they are. One of the guys, Paulie has this serious need to be be considered like a brother by the Italians. Of course since he's culturally American, he's treated as a foreigner. He tries to stir up conversation at a cafe, he tells people what area his mother was from... basically seeking acceptance. What he ends up doing is hiring an Italian prostitute who he treats like a captive audience and delivers his I'm Very Italian spiel to. She 'ahuhs' him and he interprets it as he's finally accepted as an Italian.

i hope this never happens with Asian Americans, but i think this is the way that we're progressing. that's why i always encourage Asians in the US to go try living in Asia.

SunWuKong

10-13-2003, 10:21 AM

This is the crux of why I think the point of this thread is stupid. Asiaphiles can come here and pose these silly theoretical questions to justify themselves, but one need only to Google "Asiaphile" to find it's a pathetic pathology, and comparing it to the ties you feel to your own culture is that much more blatantly offensive. The underlying message is this: Asian culture is this easily transferable, non-descript suitcase that can be picked up by anyone, and puh-leeze don't tell me you get offended by racism or stereotypes directed at Asians, because I understand Asian culture and I'm not offended at all.

well, this is fine if an Asian person prefers to be with someone of his own ethnicity, but i fail to see what kind of cultural connection, for example, a Chinese guy may have with a Filipina, and i know a lot of guys have a thing for Filipinas because many of them have kick-ass bodies. i know i do, and it's definitely a fetish instead of a cultural connection.

SunWuKong

10-13-2003, 10:23 AM

i've had many blonde friends complain to me about ppl with blonde fetishes. most normal ppl don't enjoy being objectified.

i think i'm a closet blonde fetisher. whenever i look through internet personals, i consistently take note of the blonde girls, even the blonde Asian girls.

kimpossible

10-13-2003, 10:24 AM

i think i'm a closet blonde fetisher. whenever i look through internet personals, i consistently take note of the blonde girls, even the blonde Asian girls.

you fetishize every type of woman. all you are is a femalephile.

achtungbaby

10-13-2003, 10:25 AM

i know i do, and it's definitely a fetish instead of a cultural connection.You're an anomaly. With most Chinese guys who'd say this, I'd say, "Latina girls or Persian girls have kick ass bodies too -- are you into them?" But...you are.

kimpossible

10-13-2003, 10:28 AM

i've had many blonde friends complain to me about ppl with blonde fetishes. most normal ppl don't enjoy being objectified.

I'm not sure if this addresses the issue properly but very few women are truly blonde, it's usually from a bottle and many women 'go blonde' to tap into that blonde fetish to become more attractive to males. The whole do blondes have more fun and what not. Plus, isn't it more of a whole package deal? I think most guys want blonde + big hooters and no cellulite and little brainpower or independant will. Like an Austin Powers' fembot.

achtungbaby

10-13-2003, 10:33 AM

well, this is fine if an Asian person prefers to be with someone of his own ethnicity, but i fail to see what kind of cultural connection, for example, a Chinese guy may have with a Filipina, and i know a lot of guys have a thing for Filipinas because many of them have kick-ass bodies. i know i do, and it's definitely a fetish instead of a cultural connection.Besides, what are talking about, no cultural connection? The Chinese have more of a cultural connection with Filipinos than most other Asian ethnicities.

SunWuKong

10-13-2003, 10:35 AM

You're an anomaly. With most Chinese guys who'd say this, I'd say, "Latina girls or Persian girls have kick ass bodies too -- are you into them?" But...you are.

ok, i admit i have a thing for Persian girls. but i don't really have much of a thing for Latina girls, since the majority of Latina girls that i see are garbage ladies.

SunWuKong

10-13-2003, 10:37 AM

Besides, what are talking about, no cultural connection? The Chinese have more of a cultural connection with Filipinos than most other Asian ethnicities.

err... are you being sarcastic?

i don't know how much similarities there are between Filipino culture and other Southeast Asian cultures. and i guess there are certain ties between Filipino culture and Chinese culture, since many Filipinos are actually mixed with a little bit of Chinese. i know that some of their dishes are either Chinese dishes or modified Chinese dishes.

Chinese culture, on the other hand, are much more similar to Japanese, Korean, and Vietnamese cultures than any other Asian cultures.

... still not sure if you were being sarcastic or not.

kimpossible

10-13-2003, 10:39 AM

I think he's serious.

achtungbaby

10-13-2003, 10:40 AM

err... are you being sarcastic?Well I never grew up with a Filipina maid:)

achtungbaby

10-13-2003, 10:42 AM

ok, i admit i have a thing for Persian girls. but i don't really have much of a thing for Latina girls, since the majority of Latina girls that i see are garbage ladies.NICE! What the hell is a garbage lady?

SunWuKong

10-13-2003, 10:43 AM

Well I never grew up with a Filipina maid:)

hah! well me neither! actually the Filipinas in the US are somewhere between 5 to 10 times more attractive than the Filipina maids in HK. i can't explain it. and if anything, it would be more of an Oedipus complex, because there are some HK children that are mostly raised by Filipina maids.

SunWuKong

10-13-2003, 10:44 AM

NICE! What the hell is a garbage lady?

they empty our garbage cans, clean the bathrooms, etc etc.
on a side note, it annoys me that i'm the only one that say hi to them and say thank you to them. i work with a bunch of ungrateful fucks.

achtungbaby

10-13-2003, 10:49 AM

and if anything, it would be more of an Oedipus complex, because there are some HK children that are mostly raised by Filipina maids.Do any of them ever get breast fed by these women?

kasia

10-13-2003, 11:17 AM

I'm not sure if this addresses the issue properly but very few women are truly blonde, it's usually from a bottle and many women 'go blonde' to tap into that blonde fetish to become more attractive to males. The whole do blondes have more fun and what not. Plus, isn't it more of a whole package deal? I think most guys want blonde + big hooters and no cellulite and little brainpower or independant will. Like an Austin Powers' fembot.

yeh, you know what? i think i was making an overbroad statement when i said that most normal people don't like to be objectified.

deez nuts

10-13-2003, 11:19 AM

whatever happened to the good old days when you date someone, anyone, for the sole reason of tapping that ass.

TTChino

10-13-2003, 11:30 AM

They all look the same face down on the bed anyway.....

SunWuKong

10-13-2003, 11:36 AM

Do any of them ever get breast fed by these women?

i don't think so. most Chinese people don't breast-feed. they use powdered milk.

SunWuKong

10-13-2003, 11:38 AM

They all look the same face down on the bed anyway.....

CHO?

Napoleon Chynamite

10-13-2003, 12:07 PM

hah! well me neither! actually the Filipinas in the US are somewhere between 5 to 10 times more attractive than the Filipina maids in HK. i can't explain it. and if anything, it would be more of an Oedipus complex, because there are some HK children that are mostly raised by Filipina maids.

Asian Americans tend to grow up to be hotter than Asians from Asia anyway (excluding those who get major surgery but it still doesn't make up for their poor sense of dress). It's probably due to diet, style, media and environment influence, etc. Probably get a lotta @#$% for this but it's just my opinion ^^

Napoleon Chynamite

10-13-2003, 12:09 PM

CHO?

Why does everyone use Cho as like the measurement or standard for an ugly undesirable Asian woman? She's not even that ugly, she actually looks pretty alright...she's just fat/chubby, which is viewed as bad in the eyes of most men in our society.

SunWuKong

10-13-2003, 12:18 PM

Asian Americans tend to grow up to be hotter than Asians from Asia anyway (excluding those who get major surgery but it still doesn't make up for their poor sense of dress). It's probably due to diet, style, media and environment influence, etc. Probably get a lotta @#$% for this but it's just my opinion ^^

hmm... i'd say that women in Asia generally dress better, if you're talking about East Asian countries and Singapore. not sure about other Southeast Asian countries.

SunWuKong

10-13-2003, 12:19 PM

Why does everyone use Cho as like the measurement or standard for an ugly undesirable Asian woman? She's not even that ugly, she actually looks pretty alright...she's just fat/chubby, which is viewed as bad in the eyes of most men in our society.

chill. i was just trying to make a funny. :)

Napoleon Chynamite

10-13-2003, 12:22 PM

hmm... i'd say that women in Asia generally dress better, if you're talking about East Asian countries and Singapore. not sure about other Southeast Asian countries.

Hmmm...you think so? Admittedly I haven't spent a lot of time living in Asia but whenever I see international students (or even some 1.5 genners) from HK or China or Taiwan or Korea or Japan, regardless of their looks their clothes never seem to match and their fashion sense is like warped. Some use too many bright colors while others have colors that just don't go together and everything isn't well pressed or ironed or it sometimes comes across as wrinkly. Yet since they are international students and can afford to come to the US to study for semesters or years at a time, they probably represent at least the upper-middle class of their society so access or affordance of so-called 'nice' clothes and various other items of vanity are usually not so much a problem. Maybe I just have an american-centric view of what constitutes good taste in clothing and dress.

SunWuKong

10-13-2003, 01:01 PM

they also got flat chests. how asiaphiles (white/black/hispanic) like them i'll never know. they don't seem to ooze sex appeal....

yeah, overall, i'd say Asian girls in the US have more sex appeal, when compared to Asian girls in Asia.

kimpossible

10-13-2003, 01:08 PM

I wonder if it's the opposite for the ladies and we think Asian guys are hotter than AA. *shrug*

ChinaLama

10-13-2003, 01:10 PM

they also got flat chests. how asiaphiles (white/black/hispanic) like them i'll never know. they don't seem to ooze sex appeal....

There are plenty of decent-chest-sized Asian and Asian American women. But they probably wouldn't sleep with you. :bomb2:

sorry dude. j/k

AliBabaIncorporated

10-13-2003, 02:06 PM

hah! well me neither! actually the Filipinas in the US are somewhere between 5 to 10 times more attractive than the Filipina maids in HK. i can't explain it.
Duh. Being cute or hot automatically disqualifies you from the job cuz wifey who's hiring the maid in the first place so she can pursue a career doesn't want any competition around the house. (And given how asexual some of those office worker women look, they're gonna have to work hard to find amazingly unattractive maids). A mainlander in Shenzhen, fine, but not a Filipina maid living in the same house.

What I find amusing is that expats in bars still find them attractive.

SunWuKong

10-13-2003, 03:22 PM

What I find amusing is that expats in bars still find them attractive.

seriously. sometimes expats and locals in HK have amazingly different tastes in women.

Tao

10-13-2003, 04:41 PM

Yes Tao, care to explain to HH and me how on earth you figured out I am a white male? I'm gonna doubt you're going to respond to this.
i remember you mentioning that in a previous post in the sex and health forum. i'm pretty sure about it, unless of course, that you aren't.

but then again from your insulting remarks against asian men, women, and black men, you pretty much re-affirmed my belief that you are at least none of those two races.

mr. x

10-13-2003, 10:43 PM

i remember you mentioning that in a previous post in the sex and health forum. i'm pretty sure about it, unless of course, that you aren't.

but then again from your insulting remarks against asian men, women, and black men, you pretty much re-affirmed my belief that you are at least none of those two races.

yah, read any number of his posts and his "i dont give a fuck about YOU people" comments are apparent (kinda like Morientes)

golden_buns

10-13-2003, 11:46 PM

I wonder if it's the opposite for the ladies and we think Asian guys are hotter than AA. *shrug*

AA guys tend to have better built in general.

kitty

10-14-2003, 12:58 AM

well, this is fine if an Asian person prefers to be with someone of his own ethnicity, but i fail to see what kind of cultural connection, for example, a Chinese guy may have with a Filipina, and i know a lot of guys have a thing for Filipinas because many of them have kick-ass bodies. i know i do, and it's definitely a fetish instead of a cultural connection.

maybe not, but a Chinese American may find lots in common with a Filipino American

SunWuKong

10-14-2003, 01:04 AM

maybe not, but a Chinese American may find lots in common with a Filipino American

to be honest, most of the Filipino Americans that i know find more in common with Latin Americans than they do with Chinese Americans.

ModernLogic

10-14-2003, 01:23 AM

Yeah, and bigfoot exists... sorry, I'm from the midwest. Never seen one in my entire life, just heard stories.

Same here. I'll probably see Elvis and Bigfoot hovering over Moscow in a flying Saucer before I ever see an AF Asiaphile.

ModernLogic

10-14-2003, 01:38 AM

kimpossible

10-15-2003, 11:07 AM

Same here. I'll probably see Elvis and Bigfoot hovering over Moscow in a flying Saucer before I ever see an AF Asiaphile.

I was talking about non-Asian females. I should have made that clearer.

edit: I'm not sure if this is where I first saw it or not but there's this guy who has a site where he collects goofy profiles made by guys specifically looking for Asian chicks. The site itself isn't that funny but the profiles he collected are hilarious. Anyhow, see for yourself (http://www.boards2go.com/boards/board.cgi?action=read&id=1011362613&user=Yellowtruth)

Napoleon Chynamite

10-15-2003, 12:37 PM

to be honest, most of the Filipino Americans that i know find more in common with Latin Americans than they do with Chinese Americans.

Huh? Maybe some Filipinos may identify more with Latin Americans or hispanics due to appearance (but many Filipinos also can look really Chinese), but I have a few Filipino friends and culturally they seem much more closer to Chinese in their practices, holidays, etc. Even as I walk into their homes, I see much Chinese or sinitic influence. I don't really understand how Filipino Americans could find any other types of similarities to hispanics besides mutual sharing of Spanish influence and blood, but I don't see much supposed Spanish culture in the household, although now that you mention it, their food does have some type of similarities. Especially flan, it's all about the flan.

kimpossible

10-15-2003, 12:53 PM

Huh? Maybe some Filipinos may identify more with Latin Americans or hispanics due to appearance (but many Filipinos also can look really Chinese), but I have a few Filipino friends and culturally they seem much more closer to Chinese in their practices, holidays, etc.

Like what? The only holidays I noticed that Filipinos are heavy on are Christian. Do we have any Filipino members that can set it straight?

And about language, I think it's a rather important factor. I've never heard a pinay or pinoy able to speak a Chinese language with a Chinese person (in the US) but I have seen quite a few speak spanish with spanish speakers.

Napoleon Chynamite

10-15-2003, 01:00 PM

Like what? The only holidays I noticed that Filipinos are heavy on are Christian. Do we have any Filipino members that can set it straight?

And about language, I think it's a rather important factor. I've never heard a pinay or pinoy able to speak a Chinese language with a Chinese person (in the US) but I have seen quite a few speak spanish with spanish speakers.

Actually yeah, Tagalog does subtly resemble Spanish at least in terms of vocabulary but then again I know little about Tagalog but I've just heard my friend's parents speak it.

Well I guess it's just that most of my Filipino friends themselves seem to hang out with more Chinese people and identify more with Chinese culture, and in their houses they have like those Chinese red things or ribbons or tassels hanging on walls (i dunno what they're called cause i'm too whitewashed), and they celebrate Chinese New Year. Dunno what that means, tho...

SunWuKong

10-15-2003, 02:18 PM

Actually yeah, Tagalog does subtly resemble Spanish at least in terms of vocabulary but then again I know little about Tagalog but I've just heard my friend's parents speak it.

Tagalog seems to me like a bastardisation of Spanish. Kumusta? Como Esta?

Well I guess it's just that most of my Filipino friends themselves seem to hang out with more Chinese people and identify more with Chinese culture, and in their houses they have like those Chinese red things or ribbons or tassels hanging on walls (i dunno what they're called cause i'm too whitewashed), and they celebrate Chinese New Year. Dunno what that means, tho...

the Filipino friends i have here hang out a lot with Latin people.

deez nuts

10-15-2003, 03:04 PM

this is all moving too fast for me. prior to coming to yw, i didn't really understand the term "rice king" and "asiaphile." then i met some here on this site. they were annoying, pathetic and whiny as hell.

now this whole concept of asians being asiaphiles is too much for me to absorb.

i think i'm getting a headache.

Irezumi Kiss

10-15-2003, 04:02 PM

now this whole concept of asians being asiaphiles is too much for me to absorb.

i think i'm getting a headache.

When this happens to me, I usually take a 2 or 3 masu of chilled sake.

I become more relaxed and after a while I stop giving a shit about things I can't control.

Asiaphile? Pfffffttt! Label me a Letsgetfuckedupaphile!

:boldred:

deez nuts

10-15-2003, 04:03 PM

nah i prefer O.E.

Irezumi Kiss

10-15-2003, 04:31 PM

Whatever's within reach is all good.

deez nuts

10-15-2003, 04:38 PM

no doubt

kimpossible

10-15-2003, 04:41 PM

nah i prefer O.E.

ah. 8ball.

deez nuts

10-15-2003, 04:43 PM

ah. 8ball.

st ives

SunWuKong

10-15-2003, 09:37 PM

whiskey shots?

deez nuts

10-16-2003, 05:20 AM

bacardi and coke

hahahaha

sageb1

03-25-2004, 08:53 PM

Blondes are marketed as being more fun, and brunettes as less fun.

This is a Hollywood cultural stereotype that is unrealistic, but it still sells a lot of records for Courtney Love, Madonna, etc. :biggrin:

It might also be the reason Asians are lightening their hair -- to look Western. :confused:

Add to this cultural traditions where blonde hair and blue eyes were favored over brunette hair and brown eyes. :rolleyes:

Brunette == dark hair
Blonde == light hair

Thusl, in some societies in Europe, darkness was associated with evil while light was associated with good.

Archetypes of light and dark then may come into play.

Overall though, blonde is just a hair color.

younggiftedandblack

05-10-2004, 04:04 PM

mr. x

05-10-2004, 11:50 PM

I brought this back up because I have a troop who's Father is Asian and mother is White. He has a fetish for Asian women. Today we were just shooting the shit when I found this out. He also told me he was going to Vietnam with his dad (that's where he's from) to find himself a Asian woman because AA women are too "Americanized" Whatever that means????

so's he adopted or mixed?

cuz a lot of people would argue he would have a superficial understanding of asianness to begin with so having a fetish is not too much a stretch

Kuchana

05-10-2004, 11:52 PM

I brought this back up because I have a troop who's Father is Asian and mother is White. He has a fetish for Asian women. Today we were just shooting the shit when I found this out. He also told me he was going to Vietnam with his dad (that's where he's from) to find himself a Asian woman because AA women are too "Americanized" Whatever that means????

mixed it seems. what is his cultural outlook of himself?

SunWuKong

05-11-2004, 12:15 AM

the funny thing is that i think plenty of fobby guys also think Asian American women are too Americanised.

mr. x

05-11-2004, 12:17 AM

the funny thing is that i think plenty of fobby guys also think Asian American women are too Americanised.

and vice versa, abcs and fobs are practically different ethnicities

moJo

05-11-2004, 12:24 AM

yes. cuz 'asian' is too broad a label for this to not be possible, imo.

hooligan

05-11-2004, 12:43 AM

yes. cuz 'asian' is too broad a label for this to not be possible, imo.
jo, you don't just want me, you want all of asia.

Kuchana

05-11-2004, 12:54 AM

jo, you don't just want me, you want all of asia.

bah you suck ben:P

BigLew

05-11-2004, 03:47 PM

Yes I am. I luv orientals.

moJo

05-11-2004, 04:54 PM

jo, you don't just want me, you want all of asia.
yes. but after i have you, i won't want anyone else. right? asian or otherwise. :wink: :biggrin:

Martino

05-13-2004, 05:28 AM

Add to this cultural traditions where blonde hair and blue eyes were favored over brunette hair and brown eyes. :rolleyes:

Brunette == dark hair
Blonde == light hair

Thus, in some societies in Europe, darkness was associated with evil while light was associated with good.

Archetypes of light and dark then may come into play.

Overall though, blonde is just a hair color.

I don't think such Medieval stereotypes and superstitions applied to hair colour, after all, far Western Europeans were a mixture of light and dark. If anything, the reverse might have been true, as the blond Nordic types were doing all that rape and pillage of the dark haired Saxon/Celtic kingdoms for centuries ...

A universal truth was (is?) that dark i.e. sun-burnt skin was looked down on, was unfashionable, what have you, in Europe because it was the mark of the serfs, people who worked outdoors. Hence all that powdering up in white make-up in the Royal Courts.

Of course, us Europeans of all classes thought washing was unhealthy too, hence the invention of those heavy perfumes ....

On the main topic, Asiaphilia is such a clumsy term, with 'Asia' meaning a lot of different things to a lot of different people.

You don't call an Englishman who dates a Scots(in my case)man or a Spaniard a Europhile, but you can call an Englishman who only dates/shags Frenchmen a Francophile (especially if he is a serial Francophile, i.e. he only targets Frenchmen for the sake that they are French).

I think you need to specify more about the Asian and the Asians he might have a 'philia' about .... if that makes sense.

kimpossible

05-13-2004, 09:10 AM

On the main topic, Asiaphilia is such a clumsy term, with 'Asia' meaning a lot of different things to a lot of different people.

You don't call an Englishman who dates a Scots(in my case)man or a Spaniard a Europhile, but you can call an Englishman who only dates/shags Frenchmen a Francophile (especially if he is a serial Francophile, i.e. he only targets Frenchmen for the sake that they are French).

I think you need to specify more about the Asian and the Asians he might have a 'philia' about .... if that makes sense.

Understood but while you're looking at the word construction itself I don't think you understand that it has an established colloquial meaning for Asian Americans. For the most part we're not unclear on the definition that describes the behaviours and attitudes of non-Asians towards Asians in a racist love.

If you think about it, it's weird for us to identify as Asian Americans as it does not address individual ethnic or ancestral national identity but it's come to have an agreed upon meaning for the community.

However, I think this is a great demonstration of why it's not very practical to apply the term 'white people' outside of the United States because it's an identifier germane to the cultural thinking in the US.

>:^|

05-13-2004, 10:36 AM

On the main topic, Asiaphilia is such a clumsy term, with 'Asia' meaning a lot of different things to a lot of different people.

You don't call an Englishman who dates a Scots(in my case)man or a Spaniard a Europhile, but you can call an Englishman who only dates/shags Frenchmen a Francophile (especially if he is a serial Francophile, i.e. he only targets Frenchmen for the sake that they are French).

I think you need to specify more about the Asian and the Asians he might have a 'philia' about .... if that makes sense.

I think that this is demonstrative of the conflation of Asian cultures while individual European cultures remain discrete. In many people's minds, that is. And I speak from a U.S. viewpoint since like other Americans I'm largely ignorant of things that happen outside the Whole Potato.

On odd occasions, I have met people who are Asian-country-specific-philes, but I'd guess that's the rare exception.

Off to wash now ...
:wink:

Martino

05-13-2004, 03:55 PM

I think that this is demonstrative of the conflation of Asian cultures while individual European cultures remain discrete. In many people's minds, that is. And I speak from a U.S. viewpoint since like other Americans I'm largely ignorant of things that happen outside the Whole Potato.

On odd occasions, I have met people who are Asian-country-specific-philes, but I'd guess that's the rare exception.

Off to wash now ...
:wink:

I have a bath every month, whether I need one or not ...

Faithless

05-17-2004, 09:19 AM

rice cracker

05-17-2004, 09:37 AM

Can an Asian be an asiaphile?

Is Ming Tan any indication? How to attract Asian web site. (http://www.attractasianwomen.com/)

Book (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0971580804/ref=pd_ecc_rvi_f/002-6950337-5484814#product-details)

How to Attract Asian Women Excerpt
Chapter 13
How to Act on a First Date With an Asian Woman

You must be on your best behavior on the first date. Some pointers:

· Do not talk about your ex-girlfriends, especially Asian ex-girlfriends if you are a non-Asian guy
· If you are an Asian guy, don't talk about your white ex-girlfriends. Asian girls generally think that Asian guys who bring up their white ex-girlfriends in conversation are bragging. Just don't talk about ex-girlfriends!
· Do not smoke
· Be yourself
· Do not concentrate too much on her Asian ethnicity
· Do not call Asians by the term "Orientals"
· Do not put down Asian men
· Do not talk about sex
· Pay attention to her, and do not look around the room for other women
· Pay for the date and do not talk about money
· Be fun, relaxed, and happy

http://www.attractasianwomen.com/details.html

They should just call it, "How to be an undercover Asiaphile with a modicum of social skills."

SunWuKong

05-17-2004, 10:10 AM

i got a single good rule for attracting Asian women - show her the benjamins.

ok, just kidding. :tongue:

TB4000

05-17-2004, 10:48 AM

http://www.attractasianwomen.com/details.html

They should just call it, "How to be an undercover Asiaphile with a modicum of social skills."
- Do not talk about sex.

She just pulled my whole damn niche out from under me. There goes my angle.

rice cracker

05-17-2004, 11:04 AM

- Do not talk about sex.

She just pulled my whole damn niche out from under me. There goes my angle.

Neener neener, teeny peener. :tongue:

Faithless

05-17-2004, 12:03 PM

· If you are an Asian guy, don't talk about your white ex-girlfriends. Asian girls generally think that Asian guys who bring up their white ex-girlfriends in conversation are bragging.
So, do white chicks like this?

.

· Do not call Asians by the term "Orientals"

Oops!

Filiprish

05-06-2005, 08:04 AM

We need to distinguish between Asia-phile and AA-phile.

nola

05-06-2005, 08:22 AM

I think so if the A/AA fetishizes stereotypical A/AA traits.

Grasshopper

05-06-2005, 02:10 PM

How to Attract Asian Women Excerpt
Chapter 13
How to Act on a First Date With an Asian Woman

You must be on your best behavior on the first date. Some pointers:

· Do not talk about your ex-girlfriends, especially Asian ex-girlfriends if you are a non-Asian guy
· If you are an Asian guy, don't talk about your white ex-girlfriends. Asian girls generally think that Asian guys who bring up their white ex-girlfriends in conversation are bragging. Just don't talk about ex-girlfriends!
· Do not smoke
· Be yourself
· Do not concentrate too much on her Asian ethnicity
· Do not call Asians by the term "Orientals"
· Do not put down Asian men
· Do not talk about sex
· Pay attention to her, and do not look around the room for other women
· Pay for the date and do not talk about money
· Be fun, relaxed, and happy

- Wash her car
- Walk her dog
- Pay her utility bills
- Jump through burning hoop
- Repeat above
:wink:

rotrab

05-06-2005, 02:15 PM

When I was going through my azn pryde phase in life about 4 or 5 years ago and sought to hang out with more Chinese and Japanese girls because I saw them as initially attractive in a novelty-ish and unfamiliar type of way after seeking for more outside my wonderbread group of friends, yet only my white friend got criticized for being some slimy greaseball looking to get ass from Asian women whereas people thought that I was just merely trying to get in touch with my roots when in all honesty at the time I was trying to touch um... something else.

I hope you're not saying that makes you an Asiaphile. You're an Asian-blooded guy looking for some Asian kooz. So what? As for your white friend getting labeled--sorry--white guys have done that to themselves and I don't have the time or inclination to feel sorry for them. Your friend may not have deserved it personally but white men as a whole have had this coming for a long, long time and naturally innocent white men will have to suffer for it. Can't be helped.

Napoleon Chynamite

05-07-2005, 09:13 PM

I hope you're not saying that makes you an Asiaphile. You're an Asian-blooded guy looking for some Asian kooz. So what? As for your white friend getting labeled--sorry--white guys have done that to themselves and I don't have the time or inclination to feel sorry for them. Your friend may not have deserved it personally but white men as a whole have had this coming for a long, long time and naturally innocent white men will have to suffer for it. Can't be helped.

I'd have to disagree with you and say that Asian-blooded people can be asiaphiles, especially if they grew up without much exposure to their ethnic culture (because any foreign culture can be fetishized), but I'd also have to say that for the most part, Asian Asiaphiles don't bother me as much as white ones. Like you said, it's not fair, but ultimately I think the actions and attitudes of the white Asiaphile are going to be more harmful overall in the long run toward the particular Asian culture(s) than the ones of Asian guys who have grown up twinkie and around white people and suddenly are searching for identification and develop an interest in Asian chicks supported by unfounded stereotypes and generalizations (generalizations, which, once again you would be able to say originated from the thinking of white dominant culture).

Asian guys, even if they fetishize Asian chicks, are much less likely to perpetuate certain stereotypes like the small-dick one (because they're Asian guys themselves, why would they do that, such an attitude would only get in the way of their quest for pussy), may eventually realize just how fucked up stereotypes about Asian women are, and finally there is always a chance that this initial foolish fascination may actually lead to something good, like...the twinkie acquiring some actual respect and deeper understanding about the culture of his parents. With white guys, there isn't as great of a chance of this happening.

Grasshopper

05-08-2005, 12:36 AM

What about "intra-Asian" Asian-philes, if that's the term. I mean what about these Japanese guys who go on sex tours to the Philippines or Thailand? What's up with that?

Is this some kind of intra-Asian sexual fetish/exotification/Asia-philia? Or is it just economics, i.e., Japanese with money -- poor women in SE Asia?

What about in America where you might have a 100% American Asian guy from some hick town who goes to LA/San Fran and gets overwhelmed by fancy Asian girls who aren't like the Asian girls back home?

What if he finds the Asian/Asian American girl who is into a certain high fashion look and this becomes exotic to him.

That could become a kind of Asiaphilia I suppose? Especially if she is foreign born and still has an accent.

Maybe not. I guess people who criticize this Asiaphilia always put it in the larger context of colonialism or war brides. So that excludes Asian males automatically.

Except maybe the issue of Japanese men fantasizing about a sexual reconquest of Korea or SE Asian.

Napoleon Chynamite

05-08-2005, 01:41 PM

What about "intra-Asian" Asian-philes, if that's the term. I mean what about these Japanese guys who go on sex tours to the Philippines or Thailand? What's up with that?

This is fucked up too. However, I don't think it's called Asiaphilia cause it's not fascination with all things Asian from a superficial standpoint and it doesn't really fit the definition. Of course it's certainly possible for say Chinese people to be Koreano-philes or Japano-philes (plenty of those), but placed within the social context of the U.S., what with having all Asians being lumped together, it's not nearly the same I'd say. If you're talking about people in Asia, then yeah it's different, but the reasons for any type of fetishization would also be different.

What about in America where you might have a 100% American Asian guy from some hick town who goes to LA/San Fran and gets overwhelmed by fancy Asian girls who aren't like the Asian girls back home?

What do you mean Asian girls back home? If they're from a hicktown, chances are there will be few to none. Anyways, like I was saying earlier, it's possible to have Americanized Asian guys who come to fetishize Asian chicks but they still don't bother me as much as white asiaphiles.

What if he finds the Asian/Asian American girl who is into a certain high fashion look and this becomes exotic to him.

This again wouldn't really be called Asiaphilia. I guess we all have different definitions, but to me Asiaphilia is more than simply having a thing for Asian chicks or certain styles, it's having a thing for Asian chicks (and other things like Anime and shit) based upon harmful generalizations which are the result of deeply-rooted racist and imperialistic ideology that may possibly serve to further undermine the socio-economic well-being of Asian Americans and/or Asians in Asia. Asiaphiles treat Asian people and Asian cultures as objects meant only for their pleasure and to satisfy their curiosity and fascination.

Maybe not. I guess people who criticize this Asiaphilia always put it in the larger context of colonialism or war brides. So that excludes Asian males automatically.

Asian people can be asiaphiles if they buy into stereotypes and generalizations about Asian culture(s) (perhaps because they've been raised out of their culture or around white people) and use Asian culture as a way to simply fulfill themselves and objectify everyone and everything that has to do with Asian cultures. But again, even though it sounds a bit unfair, I still believe this would be the lesser evil in comparison to a white person doing the same thing for reasons explained in my previous post.

And no, I'm not trying to justify my preference for Asian chicks :redface:

rotrab

05-11-2005, 04:53 AM

I'd have to disagree with you and say that Asian-blooded people can be asiaphiles, especially if they grew up without much exposure to their ethnic culture (because any foreign culture can be fetishized), but I'd also have to say that for the most part, Asian Asiaphiles don't bother me as much as white ones.

That's like saying an American white man who likes English women and their English accents must be a Caucaphile. A white men who wants nothing but Asian women is a racist ass. An Asian man who wants nothing but Asian woman is normal for most racial subgroups. They want to be with people of their own kind. And if you really disagreed then Asian Asiaphiles should piss you off even more than white ones but the truth is no one thinks an Asian man chasing Asian women is anything to be concerned about. Sorry. Not buying your line.

Like you said, it's not fair, but ultimately I think the actions and attitudes of the white Asiaphile are going to be more harmful overall in the long run toward the particular Asian culture(s) than the ones of Asian guys who have grown up twinkie and around white people and suddenly are searching for identification and develop an interest in Asian chicks supported by unfounded stereotypes and generalizations (generalizations, which, once again you would be able to say originated from the thinking of white dominant culture).

Holding erroneous views due to lack of exposure is not Asiaphilia. It's when you think it is your birthright outside your own culture or race to "own" those women. It's not something you can put on an AA male since he is not accepted into the "dominant culture" of America anyway. It's one thing to chase Asian women because women of your own race find you a greasy creep. It's quite another to chase Asian women because you are Asian and have been so marginalized in this society that you seek acceptance among those who are in the same boat.

Asian guys, even if they fetishize Asian chicks,

How exactly does an Asian guy fetishize Asian women?? "I only like Asian women, I think they are better-looking than other women" being said by a guy whose Asian is nothing. All men are fetishizers in that case for prefering women of their own background at which point "fetishize" loses all meaning.

are much less likely to perpetuate certain stereotypes like the small-dick one (because they're Asian guys themselves, why would they do that, such an attitude would only get in the way of their quest for pussy), may eventually realize just how fucked up stereotypes about Asian women are, and finally there is always a chance that this initial foolish fascination may actually lead to something good, like...the twinkie acquiring some actual respect and deeper understanding about the culture of his parents. With white guys, there isn't as great of a chance of this happening.

Basically, any Asian guy who had an Asian mother who holds the type of views of Asian women that characterizes a true Asiaphile would have to be so bizarrely sick in the head that, once again, I disagree with you entirely on this matter.

Martino

05-11-2005, 09:29 AM

That's like saying an American white man who likes English women and their English accents must be a Caucaphile.

The term would be Anglophile, and they do indeed exist.

How exactly does an Asian guy fetishize Asian women??

A guy from one part of Asia obsessing over a girl from a different part of Asia.

I just looked in the atlas. Asia looks like a pretty big place.

rotrab

05-11-2005, 09:32 AM

The term would be Anglophile, and they do indeed exist.

No, sir. Anglophile means you're crazy about British things. I'm saying just because you like English women's accents does not make you a Caucaphile--someone who fetishizes white women.

[quote]A guy from one part of Asia obsessing over a girl from a different part of Asia.

I just looked in the atlas. Asia looks like a pretty big place.

Why a different part of Asia?? Should be any part. Unnecessary restrictions tells me you're not thinking this through very well.

Martino

05-11-2005, 03:19 PM

[QUOTE=Martino]No, sir. Anglophile means you're crazy about British things. I'm saying just because you like English women's accents does not make you a Caucaphile--someone who fetishizes white women.

No, the definition does fit. You specified lusting after a woman with an English accent ... Anglophilia doesn't have to be an obsession with all things English, people can and do drill down to specific English things, like (your example) an accent.

Oh, and the word Caucaphile doesn't exist.

[QUOTE=Martino]Why a different part of Asia?? Should be any part. Unnecessary restrictions tells me you're not thinking this through very well.

Well yes. Even a part of your own country which is a bit different or can be exoticised ... for example, city-dwelling Germans are known to exoticise robust country frauleins and beefier than the norm women.

bluemonq

05-11-2005, 03:28 PM

a quick search yields for anglophilia:

Main Entry: An·glo·phil·ia
Pronunciation: "a[ng]-gl&-'fi-lE-&
Function: noun
: unusual admiration or partiality for England, English ways, or things English
- An·glo·phil·i·ac /-lE-"ak/ adjective

asiaphile/ia:

The word you've entered isn't in the dictionary. Click on a spelling suggestion below or try again using the search box to the right.
i wonder why that is?

Napoleon Chynamite

05-11-2005, 03:32 PM

That's like saying an American white man who likes English women and their English accents must be a Caucaphile. A white men who wants nothing but Asian women is a racist ass. An Asian man who wants nothing but Asian woman is normal for most racial subgroups. They want to be with people of their own kind. And if you really disagreed then Asian Asiaphiles should piss you off even more than white ones but the truth is no one thinks an Asian man chasing Asian women is anything to be concerned about. Sorry. Not buying your line.

Uh, of course it's understandable for Asian men to prefer Asian women in many if not most cases. I'm talking about how it's possible for Asian men who were raised outside of any type of Asian culture or upbringing who have adopted some type of fascination or fetish of Asian cultures, something that is very possible and happens all the time. The question was whether or not it's possible to have an Asian guy (or girl) who is an Asiaphile, yes?...Not, is an Asian guy who prefers Asian women an Asiaphile.

Holding erroneous views due to lack of exposure is not Asiaphilia. It's when you think it is your birthright outside your own culture or race to "own" those women. It's not something you can put on an AA male since he is not accepted into the "dominant culture" of America anyway. It's one thing to chase Asian women because women of your own race find you a greasy creep.

This is almost another discussion entirely, obviously the reasons for why a white man may become obsessed with asian women is different from why a asian man may, and even say, Japanese people who come to fetishize other Asian ethnicities do so for different reasons. That doesn't mean any of these obsessions are healthy or should be tolerated, it's just a different type of -philia altogether.

It's quite another to chase Asian women because you are Asian and have been so marginalized in this society that you seek acceptance among those who are in the same boat.

I know Asian men who have dated white women previously and have become Asiaphiles afterwards, it's not always because "they couldn't get the white pussy" or whatever you think it is.

How exactly does an Asian guy fetishize Asian women?? "I only like Asian women, I think they are better-looking than other women" being said by a guy whose Asian is nothing. All men are fetishizers in that case for prefering women of their own background at which point "fetishize" loses all meaning.

Agreed. Preference for a certain type of women just because they look better is not Asiaphilia. However, it turns into something else when the men buy into stereotypes about the women and start objectifying them based on these generalizations, or based on anything else (using Asian women or Asian cultures simply as objects to fulfill their fantasies and curiosity). You argue that an Asian man is not capable of this mentality, and I'm saying they are, especially if they were raised in a wonderbread white boy neighborhood.

Basically, any Asian guy who had an Asian mother who holds the type of views of Asian women that characterizes a true Asiaphile would have to be so bizarrely sick in the head that, once again, I disagree with you entirely on this matter.

What's your definition of a true asiaphile? Obviously I'm sure from your stance "white" is part of it. As far as I'm concerned, asiaphilia is obsession with Asian culture or members of the opposite sex based upon stereotypes and generalizations and using the culture as simply objects for self-fulfillment. If your definition includes the mentality of "feeling that it's one's right to own the women from the perspective of a white man", then yeah, DUH, Asian men wouldn't be able to be asiaphiles from this aspect. Nevertheless, unhealthy obsession is unhealthy obsession, even though Asian guys may be less likely to buy into stereotypes about themselves or Asian women. Please get out of your world of "the white man sucks" and "asian men are so oppressed, the honkeys are taking all our women" mentality that is so common in places like Model Minority.

A guy from one part of Asia obsessing over a girl from a different part of Asia.

I just looked in the atlas. Asia looks like a pretty big place.

I guess we're talking about Asiaphile in an American or Western-centered context. Say, a Chinese guy who fetishizes Japanese women would not really be called an Asiaphile, and the reasons for his obsession would be different. It would seem like we'd be venturing into too deep of a territory to talk about situations outside Western borders. Still, I see any type of -philia or objectification of any culture as harmful, and is frankly something all of us are capable of doing as long as there are cultures (and women) that remain unfamiliar to us.

Filiprish

11-09-2005, 08:34 AM

I think so if the A/AA fetishizes stereotypical A/AA traits.
We must distinguish between Asian and APIA fetish to deconstruct the notion that APIAs are foreign.

sageb1

11-21-2005, 11:18 PM

woah!

After reading this thread, I feel I can honestly declare "I am an Asian who can be an Asia-phile."

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juice4

11-30-2005, 07:38 AM

I agree that there is some prejudice when it comes to Asians accusing Whites of being Asia-Philes.

But some simply put themselves out there as such, and don't do much to hide the fact that they are exploiting the culture. Some even go so far as to flaunt their tastes.

Worst of all are the Weblogs. check out gree-grass dot org.

That's why I'm glad there's forums like this around, not that I find them unacceptable, but do a search on Asian Blogs and you get a lot of returns on Westerners in the East.

God Bless Yellowworld.org

sorry, typo

check out instead:
green-grass dot org

green-grass.org

uhhden

11-30-2005, 03:28 PM

I suppose an Asian who exclusively is into other Asians is technically an Asiaphile...but at the same time, people aren't going to really notice that an Asian guy who is with an Asian girl so much as they will notice a mixed race couple (not necessarily confined to just a white and an Asian).

I would have to say, to be fair, that yeah, an Asian can be an Asia-phile...which kinda makes me one. :biggrin:

Nakata

12-06-2005, 02:23 PM

I would say no.
If for no other reason the word phile is only used to describe someone who is into something they are not part off.

Anglophile for instance cannot be applied to an English person it only describes non English into English things...
So no Asians could not be called Asiaphiles.

Note Asiaphile is also a mis used word originally it was supposed to describe a non Asian into Asian things (cultures ect) but these days it is more often used only to describe people (usually white males) who have "yellow Fever" (A Fetish for Asian Females) and is often now used to describe any white male who dates a Asian female.

eos

12-06-2005, 03:01 PM

i absolutely hate the word asiaphile. why? because it shares the same suffix as pedophile, necrophile, and other perverse obsessions. it makes my skin crawl when i hear it and when people are talking about it. <shivers>

JustNelse

12-08-2005, 08:18 AM

Why spend time labeling people this or that. You should simply concentrate on what you can control and that is only one thing: your actions. When you give too much thought into stereotypes and labels, you tend to fall into a spiraling hole of resentment and bitterness, always pointing things out that in my opinion, should be left to their own devices.

We have enough problems on our own, why must we constantly label things that are different with such negative connotations. Are we such petty creatures that we can't let things go without giving our own backwards thoughts on it?

Sure you may disagree with people when they are into only Asians or Whites or Blacks or whatever color they want to be, but the truth of the matter is, it's their choice. I like to think that the more integrated our race and society becomes, the more we will be able to stand up and voice our thoughts without fear of recrimination and belligerence. And in this manner, I believe others will see what we can do and see it with the same passion that we all here know we have within us.

Nelse

draconisz

12-08-2005, 10:32 AM

I guess Nelse, that since group identity isn't going away anytime soon. People become sensitive when there are negative stereotypes about their own grouping. When you constantly see your group or a certain sex within your grouping cast in a bad light, you tend to want to strike out.

Why spend time labeling people this or that. You should simply concentrate on what you can control and that is only one thing: your actions. When you give too much thought into stereotypes and labels, you tend to fall into a spiraling hole of resentment and bitterness, always pointing things out that in my opinion, should be left to their own devices.

We have enough problems on our own, why must we constantly label things that are different with such negative connotations. Are we such petty creatures that we can't let things go without giving our own backwards thoughts on it?

Sure you may disagree with people when they are into only Asians or Whites or Blacks or whatever color they want to be, but the truth of the matter is, it's their choice. I like to think that the more integrated our race and society becomes, the more we will be able to stand up and voice our thoughts without fear of recrimination and belligerence. And in this manner, I believe others will see what we can do and see it with the same passion that we all here know we have within us.

Nelse